TP+OESD 3-way, min bet into me and PFR
 

Min bettor is 55/8/40 VPIP/PFR/WTSD. Total loose/passive calling station. PFR is 30/10/30 kinda loose, kinda passive, kinda calling station but also kinda aggro postflop. Sorta non-descript bad player. But not terrible. What to do on this flop?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ TWP (6 max, 5 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

SB ($564.30)
TWP ($846.25)
UTG ($85)
MP ($341.60)
Button ($464.20)

Preflop: TWP is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $2.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $8</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB (poster) calls $6, TWP calls $4.

Flop: ($24) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $4</font>, TWP...?

Re: TP+OESD 3-way, min bet into me and PFR
 

I like a bet here because if you make your straight its likely to shut everyone down. Can't count on MP to raise it up so I bet (I bet 3/4 pot alot) but 1/2 pot seems good here. If MP has a piece, he's coming along and you can try and take it down on the turn.

Re: TP+OESD 3-way, min bet into me and PFR
 

You see that there already WAS a bet, right? Are you saying I should raise? Or did you think it was checked to me?

Re: TP+OESD 3-way, min bet into me and PFR
 

Sorry...raise to half the total with the $4 bet...call it $15.

Re: TP+OESD 3-way, min bet into me and PFR
 

I'd want to raise to shut out MP or at least slow him down, but do not want to get reraised and blown off my decent hand and draw. Also do not want to just call and get raised. Tricky situation indeed. Maybe raise a little and respond to their moves?

Re: TP+OESD 3-way, min bet into me and PFR
 

Isnt this a clear raise? Does this guy have a history of minbet/3betting.

Villain raised preflop so he could have nething from kk to 10A, lets narrow his range with a raise and see how he responds.

Re: TP+OESD 3-way, min bet into me and PFR
 

I pop it to 20-24 here.

Re: TP+OESD 3-way, min bet into me and PFR
 

OK, I know this hand is [censored] weird, but just to clarify because it seems like there is some confusion: this hand is 3-way. MP (the 30/10 guy) OPEN MIN-RAISED preflop. No idea what that means for this particular guy. Use your own experience of open min-raising in MP. Then SB (the 50/8 guy) MIN BET the flop. No idea what that means for this particular guy. Use your own experience of min-betting.

Sorry. I know this hand is retarded. It just gets worse from here, wait until you see what happened. Thanks for the comments so far. Just wanted to make sure that my opponents' retardation did not confused anyone. There is a lot of min-betting going on.

Re: TP+OESD 3-way, min bet into me and PFR
 

Why? And what do you do if MP cold calls and SB re-raises? What do you do is MP re-raises? What's your plan for the turn if it is 3-way? Come on, man, lay some logic on me.

Re: TP+OESD 3-way, min bet into me and PFR
 

I say TWP is ahead here most times. MP is "non descript bad player." With this read, I not worried about a reraise. I read kind of aggro as stabbing at pots.

If he reraises say pot sized we're priced in. Still plenty of stack to take it down on the turn. And TWP can always spike and A.