Re: Pretty common turn spot that I hate
 

bet call the makes the most sense to me. pot is big so its good if you fold overs and straight draws. if raised you have a good draw hu so even when behind you are not losing much equity.

the line only breaks down against a guy capable of bluff raising and following through on the river.

Re: Pretty common turn spot that I hate
 

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It is not for when you actually have the flush.

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It doesn't matter what you have. Bet.

Re: Pretty common turn spot that I hate
 

Yeah I usually check/call the turn but this may not be right.

I haven't seen anybody say bet/fold the turn and I think this option is at least worth examining. Flush draws are pretty but they don't hit 80% of the time. This flush draw may wind up costing you money. So its equity is under a bet. I might be willing to trade that for bluff equity. Your opponent doesn't have the ace of diamonds.

Assuming he calls the turn bet, I'm unsure about the diamond river. Player/game dependent, and my hunch is the various options may have similar EV. If he calls he's likely to have a higher diamond and not a pair of aces. I probably check/call a diamond. I give up on a non diamond.

Re: Pretty common turn spot that I hate
 

Never mind above. Brainfart. Probably should call a turn raise getting 7-1 odds.

Re: Pretty common turn spot that I hate
 

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bet call the makes the most sense to me. pot is big so its good if you fold overs and straight draws. if raised you have a good draw hu so even when behind you are not losing much equity.

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I don't see villain having overs or straight draws on the turn after this action. In fact I don't think you're ahead of anything at all really he could realistically (which may not be the best way to hand read an unknown) play this way except 77. Check-call for an 8 or flush.

Re: Pretty common turn spot that I hate
 

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It is not for when you actually have the flush.

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It doesn't matter what you have. Bet.

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yeah thats what I thought. ty clark [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Re: Pretty common turn spot that I hate
 

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It is not for when you actually have the flush.

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It doesn't matter what you have. Bet.

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yeah thats what I thought. ty clark [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Maybe we need the author to restate the theorem again. It seems to evolve into something different in every thread.

Re: Pretty common turn spot that I hate
 

all you really need is to understand the thought behind the theory.......you do not need to follow it blindly or wory about the exact details. it's just a strategy to help you deal with some betfolding situations.

Re: Pretty common turn spot that I hate
 

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bet call the makes the most sense to me. pot is big so its good if you fold overs and straight draws. if raised you have a good draw hu so even when behind you are not losing much equity.

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I don't see villain having overs or straight draws on the turn after this action. In fact I don't think you're ahead of anything at all really he could realistically (which may not be the best way to hand read an unknown) play this way except 77. Check-call for an 8 or flush.

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dude this guy has 2 cards as far as i can see.

Re: Pretty common turn spot that I hate
 

OK but they basically all have a pair (mainly higher than yours) or better at this point. Does a hand like KJ call this flop?