5/10 J8o
 

Looking for comments on all streets.

BB has tagish stats.
UTG is unknown.
Button is loose passive.

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Preflop: Hero is SB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Button calls, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (4 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, Button calls.

Turn: (4 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, Button calls.

River: (8 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, Button folds, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 11 BB

Re: 5/10 J8o
 

Looks good, although an argument could be made for c/cing the river.

I'm also not sure about the preflop complete. I normally do like you did, but am curious as to what others have to say.

Re: 5/10 J8o
 

fold preflop! J8o is nothing but trash my friend.

I think i'm looking him up on the river. the river I think is close.

Re: 5/10 J8o
 

I would fold preflop, but call with J9o. Not a big deal either way.

Pretty standard flop and turn, though I'd consider check raising the flop.

Easy fold on the river especially since UTG is all in at the time.

ZZZ

Re: 5/10 J8o
 

Ok, comments on all streets:

I like the PF less with a TAGish BB if he's the AG side of TAG.

Flop: you're ahead here alot, but you would probably like to C/R the Button if possible. Theres no reason to think it looks like its possible and a free card really sucks. Betting looks smart.

Turn: With, the whiff... So this turn card looks like nothing, keep betting. OK, its alot less likely someone has a 9, since those would wack you over the head there usually.
Hard to imagine being behind something other than a loose/passive's better 8 here.

River: ew, looks like BB might have backed into some spades or 67. I like the fold, he just isn't beat by J8 1/12 of the time here.

I say, nice hand. But I might fold PF depending on how aggro the BB is.

Re: 5/10 J8o
 

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Easy fold on the river especially since UTG is all in at the time.


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I missed that and it is a very good point.

Re: 5/10 J8o
 

i'm calling the river here, but that doesn't make it right [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Re: 5/10 J8o
 

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Easy fold on the river especially since UTG is all in at the time.


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I missed that and it is a very good point.

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Wait, UTG is all in?? Why didn't the coverter show that when he called the turn?

Re: 5/10 J8o
 

A marginal hand indeed, one I had folded at another tighter table just a few minutes before and normally will fold. The reason I completed is the calling station on the button, 60 VPIP. Still not sure if this is +EV or not. I suppose it depends to a large extent on the preflop aggressiveness of the BB.

On the river my question is whether to valuebet or check/call (maybe a missed draw will bet), or check/fold even depending on the action.

When I bet and the tag raises in second position I think calling is out of the question.

Re: 5/10 J8o
 

wouldn't we have heard from an overpair or a nine before the river?