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No reads on villain here.

Party Poker 1.00/2.00 Hold'em (6 handed) link

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, MP calls, 1 folds, Hero raises, 2 folds, UTG calls, MP calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG bets, MP calls, Hero raises, UTG calls, MP calls.

Turn: (6.75 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG bets, MP folds, Hero raises, UTG 3-bets, Hero calls.

River: (12.75 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 14.75 BB.

I guess I just didn't feel like that donk represented improvement given the nature of the board. Is this raise no good? Also, given my raise should i be pitching it to a 3-bet?

I would rather call down the turn donk once MP folds.

As you played it, you have to call the 3-bet. If he has a set you're drawing dead, but if he has two pair (which is statistically more likely), you have 5 outs to improve getting 11:1.

I don't think you're good often enough to call the river bet once you miss your 5 outer. Edit: i mean once you're 3-bet on the turn. If you pick the call down line, call it down all the way.

I am always torn on these and not sure what is right. Absent reads I tend to just call them down, take notes, and see what they have. If I have a read that they will be donking all top pair type of hands here, even after the flop raise, then I raise for sure. I don't think I can fold anywhere here, especially against an unknown.

Without reads, a whole lot of different stuff could be happening here, a lot of which is bad for you.

Usually leading the flop after being raised on the turn is a large red flag, and I'm thinking it's either a limped AA or he spiked a set. Call me weak-tight, but I'd call down on 4th and 5th, probably lose, and make a note of what he played like that.

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I don't think you're good often enough to call the river bet once you miss your 5 outer. Edit: i mean once you're 3-bet on the turn. If you pick the call down line, call it down all the way.

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it's six max. tards will do this with TP in 1/2. esp on weekends.

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I don't think you're good often enough to call the river bet once you miss your 5 outer. Edit: i mean once you're 3-bet on the turn. If you pick the call down line, call it down all the way.

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it's six max. tards will do this with TP in 1/2. esp on weekends.

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Yeah you can't even think about folding this.

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it's six max. tards will do this with TP in 1/2. esp on weekends.

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I (still) don't play 6max, but tards are bet/3-betting with just top pair after getting raised preflop and on the flop? That's nutty.

Are they doing this often enough that you prefer raising the turn to just calling down?

Usually, I'd probably call the flop to induce a bet from UTG on the turn when I'd raise if it was a non-scary. Can't get anyone to fold anyway. There are a lot of scary cards that could fill in a straight here to watch out for also.

That didn't turn out to be an issue with this hand though.

As played, UTG betting out on the turn after Hero's flop raise makes me think 66 for a set unless he's a Moran, so I just call down.

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Usually, I'd probably call the flop to induce a bet from UTG on the turn when I'd raise if it was a non heart. Can't get anyone to fold anyway.

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Yes but i can cash in on my large equity, and there is no guarantee UTG will bet again. I think this flop raise is pretty standard, no?