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RickyG 10-15-2005 04:32 PM

Checking Big Draws?
 
Lets say you have a big draw (15+ outs) and you are last to act on the turn with 4 people in the pot. There was some preflop betting but there has been no action after that. How often do you check behind to see the last card rather than betting your big draw in position?

Unabridged 10-15-2005 04:46 PM

Re: Checking Big Draws?
 
i'd bet that no matter what, you could take it down there or get more money if your draw hits on the river. plus, depending on how many of those outs are to nonnut straights, you may want to clear out some trash from hitting a gutshot. worst case scenario is someone check raises you, but you will still have odds to call

blumpkin22 10-15-2005 06:33 PM

Re: Checking Big Draws?
 
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worst case scenario is someone check raises you, but you will still have odds to call

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no

RickyG 10-15-2005 07:35 PM

Re: Checking Big Draws?
 
??? no what?

joewatch 10-15-2005 08:12 PM

Re: Checking Big Draws?
 
With 15+ outs, if you are check-raised, you have enough odds to get it all-in.

boscoboy 10-15-2005 08:22 PM

Re: Checking Big Draws?
 
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With 15+ outs, if you are check-raised, you have enough odds to get it all-in.

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this is correct

Lafortezza 10-15-2005 08:57 PM

Re: Checking Big Draws?
 
I'd always bet a big draw if last to act on the flop, you get players to fold, you increase the size of the pot, and since you were the aggressor on the flop it's likely it'll be checked to you on the turn.
Then you can either check behind or fire again.

10-16-2005 05:02 AM

Re: Checking Big Draws?
 
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??? no what?

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You might not have the odds if someone has a similar draw. For example, same wrap but better flush.

For example, a hand where I could have gotten myself in trouble if I'd called pre flop:

Board : Jd Kd 8h

Him : Ts Qs 4d Qd
Me : 3d As Td Qc

Result
http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1281756
pokenum -o ts qs 4d qd - 3d as td qc -- jd kd 8h
Omaha Hi: 820 enumerated boards containing Kd Jd 8h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Qs Ts Qd 4d 589 71.83 85 10.37 146 17.80 0.807
As Qc Td 3d 85 10.37 589 71.83 146 17.80 0.193


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