Dialing it up and shutting it down on the turn - two 10-20 hands
 

Hand 1

This one is a fairly common situation, but might be interesting. Villain in this hand is a fairly tough, thinking player 27/18/3 over 2K hands.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>. SB Raises, Hero calls.

Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB bets, Hero raises, SB calls.

Turn: A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero bets, SB raises, Hero three bets, SB calls.

River: J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot:


Hand 2

I don't have good reads on either opponent in this hand as I have been four tabling and just got here and haven't really been paying attention to this table much. The SB is like 32/19/1 over 50 hands and the BB is 30/16/1.6 over 2K+ hands.

River seems pretty straightforward here, but how about the other three streets?

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Preflop: Hero is Button with 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font> Hero raises, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB bets, BB raises, Hero three bets, SB caps, BB calls, Hero calls.

Turn: 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks.

River: 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, SB folds, BB calls.

Final Pot:

Re: Dialing it up and shutting it down on the turn - two 10-20 hands
 

I think you're hosed when he calls the 3bet. I play this the same.

Re: Dialing it up and shutting it down on the turn - two 10-20 hands
 

forgot about hand two. i don't like this line very much. i check behind on the river because i can't think of a hand i can beat that he will semi-cold-call the flop cap with and call a river bet with (he either missed a big draw or he has you hosed it looks like).

Re: Dialing it up and shutting it down on the turn - two 10-20 hands
 

i call bullshit that you were the hero in hand one

no 2+2er would ever misplay a hand this badly [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

Re: Dialing it up and shutting it down on the turn - two 10-20 hands
 

I think hand one is a very easy turn check through.

Hand 2 is tougher but I would lean toward bet/fold.

Re: Dialing it up and shutting it down on the turn - two 10-20 hands
 

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i call bullshit that you were the hero in hand one

no 2+2er would ever misplay a hand this badly

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Bump for anybody else.

Re: Dialing it up and shutting it down on the turn - two 10-20 hands
 

it was me you silly goose!

I probably should've checked through the turn, but given that I didn't I think the 3 bet for a free showdown was quite expert, if I do say so myself.

Re: Dialing it up and shutting it down on the turn - two 10-20 hands
 

The [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img] was supposed to indicate that I understood. Damn emoticons never quite get the point across. I really like your play on the turn, both the bet and especially the three bet, which is why I posted the hand. Hoping to get a few more responses before posting more thoughts...

Re: Dialing it up and shutting it down on the turn - two 10-20 hands
 

Hand1 is interesting.

Thoughts on the villain's raise:

He's on a bluff, expecting to fold us on the A scare-card. 3betting folds him and denies the possibility of a continuation bluff on the river.

He's hit the A. We're not folding him. If he hit 2pair we're getting capped. Ouch.

He's hit a diamond draw. We make $ off of the 3bet when he calls, but again deny the possibility of a continuation bluff on the river.

I don't think I like the 3bet very much, since worse hands get away without risking another bluff, and we aren't folding better hands(if this is wrong let me know).

I don't use this 3bet-for-a-free-showdown move often, mainly because I don't understand the benefits of it and thus haven't recognized any instances to test it out. What are the typical criteria we'd like to have for this to be used?

Hand2 is standard, fold to a river raise. You'll get paid by overaggro J's or J3 that got counterfeited. Quite often you'll chop though.

Surf

Re: Dialing it up and shutting it down on the turn - two 10-20 hands
 

my thinking here was that if villain has an A, he would just bet right out, thinking I would probably fold to a c/r.

when he checkraises I put him on either a really strong hand or a draw. If he caps I probably have priced myself into drawing to my gutshot, so I will have to call.

I do no think that he bluffs the river if I call the turn checkraise, but only Sam can answer that for sure.