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me454555 11-16-2005 02:20 PM

Can someone who is 30/20 post a starting hand chart?
 
I'm usually a tight player and I'm looking for ways to loosen up a little bit pf. A lot of you guys are successful w/a 30/20 style but I can't figure out which hands to add pf and where. Can some of you more successfull LAGTAGs (Soilder, Baronzeus, etc) post a starting hand chart?

___1___ 11-16-2005 02:27 PM

Re: Can someone who is 30/20 post a starting hand chart?
 
me454555,

Just FYI, a lot of people who might be 26/19ish otherwise are 30/20 specifically b/c of how loose they play out of the blinds.

___1___

me454555 11-16-2005 02:33 PM

Re: Can someone who is 30/20 post a starting hand chart?
 
I'm @ 20/15 so I think i'd like to get up to 23/17 or so. I think figuring out where to add an extra 3% of hands can help the winrate a lil.

Spicymoose 11-16-2005 02:36 PM

Re: Can someone who is 30/20 post a starting hand chart?
 
What is your ASB?

me454555 11-16-2005 02:41 PM

Re: Can someone who is 30/20 post a starting hand chart?
 
Overall ~30% but I'm trying on raising it to 35%, I just gotta find the right hands. Right now I follow the standards of MBendahoe's chart. I dont have the link to it but I think its in the FAQ. That chart pretty much gets you to 20/15, not sure where to go from there though.

aba20 11-16-2005 02:44 PM

Re: Can someone who is 30/20 post a starting hand chart?
 
[ QUOTE ]
I'm @ 20/15 so I think i'd like to get up to 23/17 or so. I think figuring out where to add an extra 3% of hands can help the winrate a lil.

[/ QUOTE ]

I would just defend more out of the blinds. I have a feeling that this is where you are losing your hands. I used to have your stats and know I am a 24/19. I would read peterrus posts about blind defence. That really expanded my range in defending the blinds. I also raise with any pair, J9o+, Q8o+, A-rag, and K7o+ on the cutoff and button, and loosely follow the starting hand chart that was posted on the forum. I also think that I play to loosely sometimes. I think if you defend more out of the blinds you will be fine.

Spicymoose 11-16-2005 02:49 PM

Re: Can someone who is 30/20 post a starting hand chart?
 
A huge portion of your VPIP comes from CO, Button, SB, and BB. And, the majority of that is blind stealing and defense.

As for other situations... I will give a few hands I think you can play, which you may or not be playing.

Open raise JTs from MP.
Raise A2s after a limper from CO (and maybe even MP).
Raise K8o after the CO limps.
Limp 64s after 3 limpers (or maybe after 2 if you have the button).
Limp T7s after 3 limpers.
Reraise ATo after an open raise from a somewhat agressive MP (and from almost any CO).
Cold call 22 on the button after a raise and 2 cold calls, or after a limp-limp-raise.

me454555 11-16-2005 02:55 PM

Re: Can someone who is 30/20 post a starting hand chart?
 
Open raise JTs from MP - I've started to do this
Raise A2s after a limper from CO (and maybe even MP). - usually a limp for me so I don't think it would raise my vpip. A raise is interesting though
Raise K8o after the CO limps - I don't do this one and I might have to start experimenting w/it
Limp 64s after 3 limpers (or maybe after 2 if you have the button). - 2 limpers on the button, this is a fold for me. In the sb after 3 limpers, I'll complete
Limp T7s after 3 limpers - I gotta start doing that more
Reraise ATo after an open raise from a somewhat agressive MP (and from almost any CO). - Already do this one

As for my blind defense

@ 3/6 i'll fold my sb to a blind steal 87% of the time and BB 63% of the time. I'm getting slaughtered in the BB losing .18bb/hand but my sb isn't too bad as I'm only losing .06. I think my sb strategy is fine for 3/6 b/c of the 1/3 blind structure but I could be wrong.

EvanJC 11-16-2005 03:05 PM

Re: Can someone who is 30/20 post a starting hand chart?
 
im struggling with the same thing as you, but i think your fold bb to steal should brobably be closer to 55 - you can play a lot of garbage out of the bb

RunDownHouse 11-16-2005 03:05 PM

Re: Can someone who is 30/20 post a starting hand chart?
 
[ QUOTE ]
I think my sb strategy is fine for 3/6 b/c of the 1/3 blind structure but I could be wrong.

[/ QUOTE ]
I'm more of a 23/17 guy, but at 3/6 I dipped down a couple points because I was super tight in the sb. As others have said, the best way to up VPIP is with steal/defense. Since I like having initiative I started with upping steals and raises against bad limpers. If there's a particularly horrible CO that open-limps, I'll pound him with a lot of hands.


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