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djj6835 08-22-2005 12:54 AM

Bubble hand, 99
 
What do you do here with the uber short-stack.

#Game No : 2576416568
***** Hand History for Game 2576416568 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $20 Buy-in + $2 Entry Fee Trny:15053616 Level:9 Blinds(250/500) - Monday, August 22, 00:43:56 EDT 2005
Table Table 14917 (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 6: Hero ( $1870 )
Seat 5: UTG ( $30 )
Seat 7: SB ( $3220 )
Seat 9: BB ( $2880 )
Trny:15053616 Level:9
Blinds(250/500)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ 9d 9h ]
UTG folds.
Hero ???

HighestCard 08-22-2005 12:57 AM

Re: Bubble hand, 99
 
Grit your teeth and push. Blinds are too huge to dictate any other move, epically with the BB comming up. If you win your in a great position to get 2nd. If you lose, make another post on here about bad beats... [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

mlagoo 08-22-2005 12:57 AM

Re: Bubble hand, 99
 
A push here is another +EV, -cash EV situation. This is a definite fold for me everytime.

bigt439 08-22-2005 01:02 AM

Re: Bubble hand, 99
 
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Grit your teeth and push. Blinds are too huge to dictate any other move, epically with the BB comming up. If you win your in a great position to get 2nd. If you lose, make another post on here about bad beats... [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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This is just wrong. A push is wrong and it is impossible to argue otherwise. Fold.

HighestCard 08-22-2005 01:03 AM

Re: Bubble hand, 99
 
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This is a definite fold for me everytime.

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I dont think its that easy... Like I said in my first post the blinds are going to kill your stack when they come around.
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A push here is another +EV, -cash EV situation.

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I dont think this is a clear -$EV situation, but go get somebody like eastbay to flame me on this.

HighestCard 08-22-2005 01:05 AM

Re: Bubble hand, 99
 
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This is just wrong. A push is wrong and it is impossible to argue otherwise. Fold.

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Somebody correct my thinking here because I cant see why this is such an easy fold. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

djj6835 08-22-2005 01:06 AM

Re: Bubble hand, 99
 
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dont think its that easy... Like I said in my first post the blinds are going to kill your stack when they come around.

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Yeah but the blinds are gonna kill the guy with 30 chips a whole lot more, and sooner. I folded but I'm not sure if this is being too weak tight here or not.

I was expecting to get a lot of "play for first" comments but I thought this was one of those secenarios where you have to make the final three first before you can win.

Morbo 08-22-2005 01:11 AM

Re: Bubble hand, 99
 
These situations are my bread and butter, I push with any two. Why would anyone else want to call?

mlagoo 08-22-2005 01:11 AM

Re: Bubble hand, 99
 
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dont think its that easy... Like I said in my first post the blinds are going to kill your stack when they come around.

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Yeah but the blinds are gonna kill the guy with 30 chips a whole lot more, and sooner. I folded but I'm not sure if this is being too weak tight here or not.

I was expecting to get a lot of "play for first" comments but I thought this was one of those secenarios where you have to make the final three first before you can win.

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It's not really a matter of that -- it's just.. You are basically a lock (I would venture a guess of 95% or better) to get third or better. The big stacks are also a lock to get third or better, EVEN IF THEY CALL YOU.

I think that's the important thing. Neither of the stacks in the blinds are risking going out on the bubble by calling you here. They can call knowing that even if they lose, they are still almost certain to make the money.

If the short stack wasn't AS SHORT, it would be closer, but I can't imagine putting my chips at risk here. Playing for first is one thing -- playing for fourth is another.

mlagoo 08-22-2005 01:12 AM

Re: Bubble hand, 99
 
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These situations are my bread and butter, I push with any two. Why would anyone else want to call?

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Because even if they call and lose, they are almost certainly ITM regardless?


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