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smartalecc5 09-23-2005 01:51 PM

simple(for some), but I need some help
 
I got a question that comes up every few hands or so and I still don't know what the heck to do. If you could explain yourself that would be great - rather than just replying call or fold.

Ill just give two examples, so you know what I'm talking about.

#1: Hero is on Button with 57s. UTG raises, MP 1 calls, MP+2 folds, Co CALLs, HERO???

#2: Hero is SB with 24o. UTG folds, MP 1 call, MP2 calls, Co calls.

And countless other vcariations. How do I decide what to do?? Thanks for helping me out with my noobish question.

Lmn55d 09-23-2005 01:54 PM

Re: simple(for some), but I need some help
 
fold both, those hands are just not strong enough.

paco 09-23-2005 02:04 PM

Re: simple(for some), but I need some help
 
Hand 1: I think is very marginal. You'll probably have the BB come along, giving you 4:1 with position. One gap is much weaker than a pure suited connector though. I think it is -EV unless you're against the right opponents and you play well post flop. As a noob you should probably stay away from it.
Just to elaborate regarding your opponents--are they passive? Will they charge you the max when you are drawing? Do free card plays usually work?

Hand two: I think too weak--fold. mabye 67o+ you can toss a chip in getting 8.5:1 but OOP.

7ontheline 09-23-2005 02:09 PM

Re: simple(for some), but I need some help
 
Hand 1 is a marginal call for me IF I know the blinds are loose-passive and will come along without raising. Obviously I'm looking for a really good flop.

Hand 2 is a fold. 24o can't make anything, basically.

mcvalenc 09-23-2005 02:25 PM

Re: simple(for some), but I need some help
 
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fold both, those hands are just not strong enough.

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cartman 09-23-2005 03:52 PM

Re: simple(for some), but I need some help
 
HAND 1:
A hand like 75s must have substantial implied odds to become worthwhile. Having to pay two preflop bets instead of one largely destroys these.

HAND 2:
There are practically no flops that will really make you happy with this hand. I think it is a must fold.

Cartman

Lurkmaster Flex 09-23-2005 04:01 PM

Re: simple(for some), but I need some help
 
I fold hand 1 and complete hand 2 only in a 2/3 blind structure.

smartalecc5 09-23-2005 04:13 PM

Re: simple(for some), but I need some help
 
How does pot odds come into play on these hands?


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