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legend42 10-06-2005 07:41 PM

So I flopped this set, right...
 
Party 20/40, 8 handed, normal/good. I raise from MP with 8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Button (no stats, seems decent) 3-bets. BB caps (32,14,1.8 over 170 hands). I call the 2.

Flop is rainbow T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. BB bets, I call, button calls. Turn is a 6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. BB bets, I raise, button waits then folds. BB 3-bets. I cap.

River is A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. BB bets out, I raise...

Seemed fairly standard, except for maybe the river, but when I discussed the hand with a friend/good player, he said I probably misplayed at least 3 out 4 streets. So I thought I'd put it to the indubitable acumen of the minds here to check whether I'm leaky or not. Thanks.

teddyFBI 10-06-2005 07:46 PM

Re: So I flopped this set, right...
 
PF fine
Flop Good
Turn Good
River I definitely call -- you're already representing a set w/ your turn-cap. You really think he leads with JJ,QQ,KK when A rivers after you capped turn?

Dominic 10-06-2005 08:21 PM

Re: So I flopped this set, right...
 
you're getting 6-1 to call 2 cold pre-flop...am i wrong in suggesting you fold this, simply because you're aren't getting the proper odds to call? Is it because your implied odds if you hit your set are that great?

flawless_victory 10-06-2005 08:35 PM

Re: So I flopped this set, right...
 
[ QUOTE ]
Is it because your implied odds if you hit your set are that great?

[/ QUOTE ]right.

(yikes man)

ggbman 10-06-2005 08:37 PM

Re: So I flopped this set, right...
 
Yeah, i think this river raise is bad though. Does he have A-10?

Barry 10-06-2005 08:52 PM

Re: So I flopped this set, right...
 
I like raising the flop here. You've got a couple of folks that seem to like their hand and I think that you can get in multiple bets in on both the flop and turn.

On the river, it kind of looks like AA got there or TT had you all the way, just call, maybe he'll show you AT

Piiop 10-06-2005 09:03 PM

Re: So I flopped this set, right...
 
I also like a raise flop, call 3bet, raise turn. I don't raise the river after you cap the turn and he still bets. He'd have to be very aggro to do that with AT.

amulet 10-06-2005 09:16 PM

Re: So I flopped this set, right...
 
generally even though it is 7.5 to 1 against hitting a set if you are getting 5 to 1 with a pocket pair it has a positive expectation because of implied odds.

amulet 10-06-2005 09:18 PM

Re: So I flopped this set, right...
 
i think unless he is a total monkey he puts you on a set, so i just call the river.

depending on the opponents i sometimes raise the flop, but i like your flop play here.

Dominic 10-06-2005 09:33 PM

Re: So I flopped this set, right...
 
[ QUOTE ]
generally even though it is 7.5 to 1 against hitting a set if you are getting 5 to 1 with a pocket pair it has a positive expectation because of implied odds.

[/ QUOTE ]

okay, cool...that's what i thought.

legend42 10-06-2005 09:36 PM

Results
 
Thanks for the replies. The reason I didn't raise the flop is that I thought the button might raise with the same hands he'd coldcall with, and play some others for 1 bet but not 2. And any of us could have AA-KK here.

Completely agree with everyone about calling the river, though. My biggest hole is a lack of river aggression, especially with position, so I've been consciously looking for spots where I can increase it and sometimes I lose perspective. Cue this hand.

And something about his bet didn't seem right. Wouldn't he try to check-raise with AAA? Also, in my multi-tabling frenzy, I may have forgotten about his pf cap, and AdTd flashed through my mind. Anyway, I immediately regretted the raise once I clicked, but was relieved to see him just call. Turned out he had KK- what a tool.

legend42 10-06-2005 09:55 PM

Re: Results
 
Actually, as I think more about it, maybe his river bet was expert. It ensures he gets a bet in against an overplayed QQ-JJ which might check behind, and the bet on the river ace should probably scare a thinking player from raising with an underset. Too bad for him I wasn't thinking [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Or he may also be a tool.

drbk2 10-06-2005 10:17 PM

Re: Results
 
[ QUOTE ]
Actually, as I think more about it, maybe his river bet was expert. It ensures he gets a bet in against an overplayed QQ-JJ which might check behind, and the bet on the river ace should probably scare a thinking player from raising with an underset. Too bad for him I wasn't thinking [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Or he may also be a tool.

[/ QUOTE ]

Id say he's just a tool. Paying off the raise on the river demonstrates that fairly well.


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