Drawing to overcards on the flop? Just a check-up.
 

Very common scenario. I'm not running bad or anything but I had a hard time deciding what to do with this one. I think I fold some of the time and call some of the time. I don't think a raise makes sense at all.

Is this an easy fold? Not so easy fold? Or a call?

Assuming no read on opponents.

Is the pot big enough here to peel one off getting 13:1? Usually I'd lean towards folding since I don't have a backdoor flush draw. I probably have 4 outs, but might have 6, but also might be drawing to runners.

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Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $30.
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, CO (poster) checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls, CO calls.

Flop: (10 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, UTG calls, CO calls, Hero ???

Re: Drawing to overcards on the flop? Just a check-up.
 

I'm fairly new to limit hold'em and by no means an expert but I like the raise here. There's a very good chance the BB has 8-anything coming out of the BB and is just trying to protect it. Raising should tell you how many outs you have, as well as what the other players are on (calls and you're scared of As/Qs). But in *most* cases I would think that the raise will put you in a heads-up situation with the BB where you get to see a free river.

Again, I'm pretty new to the game but this is how I would handle it..

Re: Drawing to overcards on the flop? Just a check-up.
 

Pretty easy call to me.

Re: Drawing to overcards on the flop? Just a check-up.
 

With two callers already I'm leaning towards a call to see what the turn brings. There are a lot of draws out there. A raise may get you a free card and knock out sb but there's the possibility of a re-raise from the bb. This is a tough one (for me anyways).

Re: Drawing to overcards on the flop? Just a check-up.
 

I think this is a not so easy fold. You could easily be reverse dominated and drawing only to your 2 non spade Q's, and even if you make the best hand on the turn you are likely facing several redraws anyway.

Re: Drawing to overcards on the flop? Just a check-up.
 

If the bb has an 8 here and is at-all tenacious, you're getting 3-bet with the 2 callers in the middle.

Re: Drawing to overcards on the flop? Just a check-up.
 

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I'm fairly new to limit hold'em and by no means an expert but I like the raise here. There's a very good chance the BB has 8-anything coming out of the BB and is just trying to protect it. Raising should tell you how many outs you have, as well as what the other players are on (calls and you're scared of As/Qs). But in *most* cases I would think that the raise will put you in a heads-up situation with the BB where you get to see a free river.

Again, I'm pretty new to the game but this is how I would handle it..

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A bet and 2 callers to you, your raise isn't getting anything HU unless the guy 3 bets you which you don't want to see happen.

Not a good spot for a raise. You have likely 4 outs plus a redraw against you. You want to see this turn cheap.

b

Re: Drawing to overcards on the flop? Just a check-up.
 

with that exact flop, no spade in your hand, no BD straight potential and that many players, i'd muck it and move on.

lf

Re: Drawing to overcards on the flop? Just a check-up.
 

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with that exact flop, no spade in your hand, no BD straight potential and that many players, i'd muck it and move on.

lf

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Re: Drawing to overcards on the flop? Just a check-up.
 

folderson.