5/10 NL 6Max....Is this chip spewing?
 

Villain is sandbag. 38/28ish. Laggy.

I do a lot of overbetting all-in with good non-nut hands disguising them as busted draws, pot size value betting with hands that are weak but which I think are the best, etc.

I figured this seemed like a good spot to throw in a bluff. Results aside, anyone like/hate?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) converter

MP ($1048)
CO ($1145.50)
Button ($1589.25)
SB ($1871.34)
BB ($1576.50)
Hero ($1156)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with T:[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $5.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $35</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, BB calls $25.

Flop: ($75) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $55</font>, BB calls $55.

Turn: ($185) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: ($185) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero calls $1066 (All-In), BB calls $1066.

Final Pot: $2317

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
BB has As 5s (one pair, aces).
Hero has Tc Qh (high card, ace).
Outcome: BB wins $2317. </font>

Re: 5/10 NL 6Max....Is this chip spewing?
 

risking 1066 to win 185 ....i dont think its worth it

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risking 1066 to win 185 ....i dont think its worth it

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Yeah, I think you will get looked up by any Ace. Possibly a K.

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I do a lot of overbetting all-in with good non-nut hands disguising them as busted draws

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It appears that you have disguised your complete bluff as a busted draw.

Re: 5/10 NL 6Max....Is this chip spewing?
 

I would say its a needless bluff, but I still cant believe he called that. I think you need to bet flop..check turn...push river more often with monster hands against him.

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I gotta say, awesome call by the BB [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

I don't like any play that has to be successful 80% of the time just to break even. Having said that, I don't see many hands calling you in that spot that played the hand that way up to that point. I think a pot-sized bet on the river would've been both more believable and more profitable in the long run.

Kirk

Re: 5/10 NL 6Max....Is this chip spewing?
 

Nothing wrong as long as you get called next time when you do have it, but unless you play with this Villain often that opportunity might not come up.

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i think this is a hero = villain, villain = hero hand

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The fun with gross overbets is that, if you have it, it only neets to get called like 1/10 of the time (for a 10x pot bet) to be better than a pot sized value bet (that mostly always gets called). However, if you don't have it, it has to work like 9/10 of the time. You're inflating the odds the wrong way.

I'm not sure there's any spot for this bet with absolute air. If you think he can make this call with A5, then its a phenominal bet with like two pair or a set or something. You can't expect them to pay off your feigned busted draw overbets but fold to your overbets when you really have nothing. It doesn't work like that.

Everett

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nope...making this call with A5 in the long run is very -EV against a normal range.

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nope...making this call with A5 in the long run is very -EV against a normal range.

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well at any rate i'm sure u got it all back and then some soon after

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Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) converter

MP ($1458.50)
CO ($1174.75)
Button ($1015)
SB ($874.75)
BB ($3816.50)
Hero ($958.25)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $5.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $35</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, BB calls $25.

Flop: ($75) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $55</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $200</font>, BB calls $145.

Turn: ($475) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero calls $723.25 (All-In), BB calls $723.25.

River: ($1921.50) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $1921.50

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
BB has 8c 8d (one pair, eights).
Hero has Kd Ks (one pair, kings).
Outcome: Hero wins $1921.50. </font>

Re: 5/10 NL 6Max....Is this chip spewing?
 

nh

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You can't expect them to pay off your feigned busted draw overbets but fold to your overbets when you really have nothing.

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This implies that he's either going to call every time or fold every time. That's an extremely exploitable strategy.

In reality, what happens among good players is it becomes a guessing game. Usually the board dictates how likely you think your opponent will play a particular hand with an overbet on the river like that. If the river wasn't a diamond, I wouldn't make the play because 33 is probably the only hand I could play that way. However, with the diamond, I could now have 33 in addition to any x [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]y [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].

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You can't expect them to pay off your feigned busted draw overbets but fold to your overbets when you really have nothing.

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This implies that he's either going to call every time or fold every time. That's an extremely exploitable strategy.

In reality, what happens among good players is it becomes a guessing game. Usually the board dictates how likely you think your opponent will play a particular hand with an overbet on the river like that. If the river wasn't a diamond, I wouldn't make the play because 33 is probably the only hand I could play that way. However, with the diamond, I could now have 33 in addition to any x [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]y [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].

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I agree, but as I read it this wasn't a battle of two good players who know each other well and are playing some guessing game. This guy seems mediocre, and against a mediocre chap it looks like you desperately trying to represent something. I'm just not convinced that he's picked up on your tendency to overbet big hands, and it more looks like you going apeshit on a good bluff card. If I missed a read and hes actually a good thinking player that knows you, then I take that back.

Everett

Edit: I read "sandbag" not as someones screen name but as some description of his play being laggy. Whoops. I guess this guy is reputable?

Re: 5/10 NL 6Max....Is this chip spewing?
 

You played it bad, villian played it even worse.

Re: 5/10 NL 6Max....Is this chip spewing?
 

pot the turn, this is an excellent card and spot to 2nd barrel.

Re: 5/10 NL 6Max....Is this chip spewing?
 

Do you think your opponents is observent enough to notice your play?

Don't think I need to say much more. I think $300-400 accomplishes the same thing here though.