88 your play?
 

just sat down at table, no reads
okay... a few questions.
1.) do most of you raise preflop here?
2.) raise the flop or just call?
3.) turn and river are played fine right?

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Preflop: Hero is Button with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, CO calls.

Flop: (13.50 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, MP2 folds, CO folds, Hero calls, UTG folds, UTG+1 folds.

Turn: (7.75 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP1 calls.

River: (11.75 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP1 calls.

Final Pot: 13.75 BB

Re: 88 your play?
 

1. pf looks good.
2. raise the flop

everything else looks good.

Re: 88 your play?
 

I just call preflop since you cannot isolate anymore and I raise the flop, the board is semi coordinated and the pot is big enough to start knocking out people.

Re: 88 your play?
 

preflop is goot. value, get a free card on flop, increase pot to hit your set and odds to draw.

flop: gotta raise. yes you have a set, but letting a straight/flush draw play cheap is bad. plus you could get MAD action from a lower set or a goofy played AA or something.

Re: 88 your play?
 

There are two players to act after you on the flop. Your raise will protect against gutshots, which is what you want to protect against. Flush draws will probably coldcall anyway, so you'll just get more value here. The pot is large, but it is not ridiculous. I think raising the flop is fine.

Re: 88 your play?
 

limp preflop and raise on the flop

Re: 88 your play?
 

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I just call preflop since you cannot isolate anymore and I raise the flop, the board is semi coordinated and the pot is big enough to start knocking out people.

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You aren't isolating preflop, you are raising 5 limpers with a PP. When you flop a set, you get anyone with 1 pair chasing while drawing dead.


This is one of those hands where I'd bet everytime it was my turn. If another spade hits the river, then I will slow down.

Re: 88 your play?
 

1) I value-pfr here. Why is everyone limping? I think the pot bloating factor, the possible free flop card, our position, and the slim loss of value in a raise even when playing solely for set outs makes this a raise.
2) Raise the flop for value and be less than astounded when several people cold-call with the worst of it.
3) Yeah, fine IMO.

Re: 88 your play?
 

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You aren't isolating preflop, you are raising 5 limpers with a PP. When you flop a set, you get anyone with 1 pair chasing while drawing dead.


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it has been probably discussed before many times, but I don't see any reason to raise since your equity is only 8% of the current pot (maybe a little bit more since once in a blue moon your pair of 8s will hold up). You need 12 limpers for the raise to be correct.

Re: 88 your play?
 

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your equity is only 8% of the current pot

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Preflop isn't about equity.