Guess my hand please
 

What does my hand look like?
I have 2.5k, villain has about 1700.
I raise UTG villain calls on button
Flop is Q83 all diamonds, I pot it, he calls.
Turn is 8, i check call half pot.
River is a 4th diamond, I move in.

My first orbit at the table.

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33 or laon A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
my guess, you actually had JTo, and he called wtih QJ no diamond.

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It definitely doesn't look like a flush unless you flopped the nut flush. I just don't see many people calling half-pot bets with draws out of position and very small implied odds (if you hit it would be so transparent)
I would guess you're probably full and hoping that this moron can't fold the A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

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JJ

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It definitely doesn't look like a flush unless you flopped the nut flush. I just don't see many people calling half-pot bets with draws out of position and very small implied odds (if you hit it would be so transparent)


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I definitely understand your point, but it is a little bit amusing that you say that he doesn't have a flush here because it would be so obvious that he had a flush in this circumstance. So it would be so obvious that he has it, so he doesn't have it. So it actually is not obvious that he has it. So maybe he does have it.

To me it looks like A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]x (potentially AQ), full house, or just completely nothing.

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What range of hands do u call the river all in with?

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It definitely doesn't look like a flush unless you flopped the nut flush. I just don't see many people calling half-pot bets with draws out of position and very small implied odds (if you hit it would be so transparent)


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I definitely understand your point, but it is a little bit amusing that you say that he doesn't have a flush here because it would be so obvious that he had a flush in this circumstance. So it would be so obvious that he has it, so he doesn't have it. So it actually is not obvious that he has it. So maybe he does have it.

To me it looks like A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]x (potentially AQ), full house, or just completely nothing.

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I know-I was thinking this also. After a while the whole "he wouldn't do this because he has to know I wouldn't pay him off so he must have nothing so I'll pay him off" element of poker is just guessing. But I almost always guess that my opponents are not smart enough or don't give me enough credit to assume that I'll make thin calls in obvious non-payoff spots so I tend to pay off here.

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What do u call this with?

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What range of hands do u call the river all in with?

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are you getting at that only a full house calls here and the river push is a good move with any two cards?

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What do u call this with?

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Any boat and the K or A of diamonds. This is a perfect board to bluff on because the 4 diamonds out just ruin most hands-not even trips is good enough to call with IMO