Flop 2 pair, what now?
 

MP3 is 23/5/1.5 over 1.3k hands and hasnt got out of line at all.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

UTG+1 ($112.15)
UTG+2 ($20.30)
MP1 ($48)
MP2 ($20.15)
MP3 ($48)
CO ($44.75)
Button ($25.40)
SB ($48.15)
Hero ($68.10)
UTG ($54.65)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls $0.50, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP3 calls $0.50, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Hero checks.

Flop: ($1.75) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Hero bets 1.25, 1 fold, MP3 raises to $4, Hero raises to $12, MP3 makes it $35

Call, fold, or push?

I ruled out 88, JJ, and KK so far.

Re: Flop 2 pair, what now?
 

fold, I can't see anything you're beating.

Why did you rule out 88? Just cos you have one of the 8s?

Re: Flop 2 pair, what now?
 

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MP3 is 23/5/1.5 over 1.3k hands and hasnt got out of line at all.

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probably your answer there. Why do you rule out 88? Because you have one of them? What hand can you put him on that you beat?

Since he has position on you he shouldn't be 4 betting something like Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] there. Only thing that makes sense is 88 or KJ to a lesser extent.

Re: Flop 2 pair, what now?
 

fold pf. if he hasnt gotten out of line through 1000+ hands i dont see him 4 betting anything u beat...

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fold pf. if he hasnt gotten out of line through 1000+ hands i dont see him 4 betting anything u beat...

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BB special...

Re: Flop 2 pair, what now?
 

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fold pf. if he hasnt gotten out of line through 1000+ hands i dont see him 4 betting anything u beat...

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BB special...

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doh... i thought i saw hero completed... now i dont just suck at poker i suck at reading too...

Re: Flop 2 pair, what now?
 

88, KJ, and some people limp JJ. 4-bet = monster = fold. Did you consider a c/r on that flop?

Re: Flop 2 pair, what now?
 

I've quit c/r'ing unless its allin. Cant find a reason to do it after being told not to so many times.

Re: Flop 2 pair, what now?
 

This is a very easy fold.

Re: Flop 2 pair, what now?
 

flop 3-bet = yuck

i'd call his raise and check-raise or lead the turn. if i don't think he's raising on the draw i like the check-raise, with a fold to a push.

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I've quit c/r'ing unless its allin. Cant find a reason to do it after being told not to so many times.

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C/r'ing from the blinds with 2 pair hands is a good thing, IMO.

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I've quit c/r'ing unless its allin. Cant find a reason to do it after being told not to so many times.

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C/r'ing from the blinds with 2 pair hands is a good thing, IMO.

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I'll remember that.

Re: Flop 2 pair, what now?
 

I think you play the hand fine, but can certainly fold unless you think he's fastplaying a pre-flop sandbagged AA.

He could also have AK of spades I suppose.... but it's very hard to get your entire stack in with that kind of aggression... with KJ... maybe... But I think it's likely you're facing a KJ or a JJ... low limit players are superstitious, stupid creatures sometimes who "Hate JJ" and won't throw it down, but won't raise with it either.

Re: Flop 2 pair, what now?
 

Fold, your behind to every hand that plays this way from a villain with these stats. Also -if his pf raise is only 5 he could easily have 8s or Js here.