Bubble play with K5s
 

31 left, payout increase at 30 left. I'm like 25th in chips with a bit over 5K, blinds at 1600/800 with a 200 ante.

I'm in the BB with K5s, folded to SB, who minraises, I go allin, he calls. A9o, no help and I'm out in 31st.

Given my criminally low stack and the high ante, should I just try to fold into 30th here? There were 2 people with ~1BB left.

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With only 1 BB left (!) for 2 people, I'd try to sit out the orbit unless I got a better hand than that and see if they folded...because money finishes are infiinitely better than non-money finishes : )

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With only 1 BB left (!) for 2 people, I'd try to sit out the orbit unless I got a better hand than that and see if they folded...because money finishes are infiinitely better than non-money finishes : )


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Ignore what he said.

This may have been a bad spot, because you have to realize he will call getting a good price like this, even with that, I like it. If we assume he has a very wide range of hands, you arent way behind anything, and actually ahead of a lot. I never ever ever tighten up on the bubble, I get looser. Making the money, is NOT infinitely better than not making money. Please dont post such horrific weak tight BS advice on this forum. Your profits in MTTs will come from big cashes, that means final table-- and deep into the final table. They do not come from random bubble cashes.

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I was already in the money, the payout just increased at 30.

My thinking was that if I fold here the ante becomes a very serious issue. I'm not going to be able to post a full BB if I don't see an allinable hand by the next BB. Which, since we were going from 4 to 3 tables, was an unpredictable distance away.

Flipside, even if I win this I'm still desperately shortstacked.

On the third hand, the blinds and antes are murderously high. I was 25th out of 31 with less than 4 BB. Having ~12K chips probably puts me around 15th with maybe a full orbit before I see the blinds again.

I realize he's calling(he probably misclicked not to put me allin, I approached this from the standpoint of calling an allin since I have no fold equity). I'm getting a bit over 3 to 1 from the pot and if I fold I'll probably never see the daunting heights of 3 BB again.

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Sorry, I am new to this...everywhere I read it says to reply to these kind of posts if you are not entirely sure of your own answer, so that's what I did. sorry for the poor advice.

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Sorry, I am new to this...everywhere I read it says to reply to these kind of posts if you are not entirely sure of your own answer, so that's what I did. sorry for the poor advice.

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lol. really sorry to go nuts at you on 2 different threads. Keep posting your thoughts. Its better to get them out and yelled at then keep them in your head and keep making mistakes.

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lol I don't think you went nuts on the other thread, I really appreciate your advice there : )

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I just realized i misread the original post. I thought the blinds were 4/8, not 8/16. ok well, you have no fold equity, not very little. Even with that you are desperate and getting too good a price not to call. stick it in there- your hand is decent.

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We're missing some info.. What was SB's stack? Is the 5k after posting the BB? I think pot odds and villain's range of hands (especially if he has a good stack) make this a good push.

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I think you can fold this.

Any hand SB will miniraise with is going to call your push and be a favorite over k5. You're not really in shape to make a run for the tournament, so I would choose a better spot to make a stand. I think its a fold if you're not on the bubble. If you care about the payout increase its definitely a fold.


the other players will easily be all in several times in the next few hands.

I usually ignore the bubble and push my premium hands, this isnt one of them.

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SB stack was around 13K, so pretty small but significantly outchipping me.

My stack was 5300 before ante and BB, it was 3500 at action.

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With 1/3 of my chips in for the BB, I'm calling here every time with any two. I'm estatic to have K high here...PLUS you had 2 live cards. What's not to love aside from losing the hand. You did the right thing; unfortunately luck didn't pan out.

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You need to push, but there's not much wrong with letting the clock run down a bit to see if anyone else busts, FWIW.

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Sorry, I am new to this...everywhere I read it says to reply to these kind of posts if you are not entirely sure of your own answer, so that's what I did. sorry for the poor advice.

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the play is a push. don't worry about giving bad advice. we all did when we were starting.

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I'm not going to be able to post a full BB if I don't see an allinable hand by the next BB.

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Whatever you held the last time it was checked to you should have been your 'allinable hand'. You have to call here (altough I fold some bubble situations here). A rule of thumb I use is to never allow myself to voluntarily fall below 5xBB, unless something drastic is happening.

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I think you can fold this.

Any hand SB will miniraise with is going to call your push and be a favorite over k5. You're not really in shape to make a run for the tournament, so I would choose a better spot to make a stand. I think its a fold if you're not on the bubble. If you care about the payout increase its definitely a fold.


the other players will easily be all in several times in the next few hands.

I usually ignore the bubble and push my premium hands, this isnt one of them.

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I am far from ready to give up on a big finish here. It is situations like this where survivalists really get killed in terms of long term EV. They may jump .20 buy-ins by folding up a level. But if he wins this hand (which he probably has 40% equity in) he will have 11600 chips, he steals once more within 2-3 hands, he is almost back to 10xBB.

I know that I can turn a 7xBB stack (when there are antes and most players are short) into a final table enough where it is worth a 40/60 shot vs. a .20 buy-in increase by folding up the pay-scale.

The only time I consider folding here is certain party MTTs where the low end pays >2x the buy in, with a slow increase until top 7. Then it is probably worth folding your way in.

Re: Bubble play with K5s
 

First off, your fold equity is exactly zero, but I still think you should call simply because of the pot odds. He doesn't need much hand here. He would probably limp with his best hands trying to get your last chips when you inevitably push with almost anything.

Another huge thing that would influence me to call is that you have an opportunity to play a pot heads up, rather than play in a later situation where you might have more than one opponent where they can do the "unspoken collusion" play of checking it down to bust you.

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I was in "allin on any ace/pair/broadway/etc." mode for quite some time with the high ante, but I was just seeing a lot of 94o and the like. I wasn't getting gradually anted down from 12 BB, this hand was the first hand after a level increase and I had recently lost a decent pot calling a small stack allin.

The current payout was a litte over 1 buyin, it doubled at 30th.

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I was in "allin on any ace/pair/broadway/etc." mode for quite some time with the high ante, but I was just seeing a lot of 94o and the like. I wasn't getting gradually anted down from 12 BB, this hand was the first hand after a level increase and I had recently lost a decent pot calling a small stack allin.

The current payout was a litte over 1 buyin, it doubled at 30th.

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May actually be a fold then, closer than I thought. Probably comes down to your skills at short stack poker. If I were someone who came from the STT forum, I would call. If I normally played ring games, I would fold.