83s
 

UTG raise, very loose poster call, Sb call, I call 83cc in BB.

Flop 5d4c2c, pfr bets, they both call, I CR, pfr and poster call.

Turn 5s

SB checks, I check, I suck ?, pfr checks.

River 3, SB bets, I fold..

pfr is like 40/30 over 100 hands.
SB is like 40/16, so too loose, but generally passive.

Re: 83s
 

i fold preflop

first look at it i liked the turn check, but after some thinking i aggre that a bet would have been better

the river fold is standard

Re: 83s
 

Preflop looks awful. You need much better odds.

Your flop action is weird - did SB call, or the very loose poster? Betting the turn is OK, but the only hand you're worried about is rare, something like K8, and a normal UTG doesn't have this hand while the poster isn't folding, and you can't expect a better hand to drop on the river when you don't improve.

The river fold is fine with the 4-wheel.

Re: 83s
 

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Your flop action is weird - did SB call, or the very loose poster?

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Both.

Were you always Scott Y. ?

Re: 83s
 

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Preflop looks awful. You need much better odds.

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Do you know the odds of flopping a flush draw?

Krishan

Re: 83s
 

5 is the perfect card to follow up on the turn with. River fold is the only choice.

Krishan

Re: 83s
 

I don't understand people who want to fold preflop. 7:1 in great position right before the PFR. I kinda like your line, pumping your draw on the flop since they all called and buying yourself a free turn. I think a turn bet isn't going to accomplish much - at that point your equity probably isn't good enough with only a draw, especially since your bet might fold some players.

Re: 83s
 

Trix,

I don't like your flop play. I would only be checkraise semibluffing when I think I have a decent chance of taking the pot down with a follow-up turn bet. However, when the flop gives any Ace a wheel draw then I think you must realize that this hand is going to the river, so you might as well play passively and draw as cheaply as possible. I check-call unless I improve. The river fold looks good.

Despite the fact that I play the flop differently, I don't think your CR is a bad play and if you checkraise that flop then I think you need to check the turn like you did.

Re: 83s
 

You dont think I can raise the flop for value ?

Re: 83s
 

I know preflop discussions arent interesting, but is 7-1 really enough to call with any two suited?