100/200. BLIND ON BLIND W/ ACENINE.
 

opponent in this hand is a regular in the higher limit party games... weve played NLH and PLO together as well, however i have a new handle which he has only played LHE against... hes solid.
one other blind battle this session two rounds prior.. i raised and he folded to my flop bet.

Party Poker 100/200 Hold'em (7 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB 3-bets</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (6 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls.

Turn: (5 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, Hero calls.

River: (9 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 10 BB

im not sure that i misplayed this hand, but i felt kinda gross about it on every street...
what do you guys think?

Re: 100/200. BLIND ON BLIND W/ ACENINE.
 

the Jack on the turn is a horrible card for you. Now all you beat is AK or a small pair.

I think the critical decision here is calling the turn raise which I think is worse than the other 2 options.

If you think there is a decent chance you are ahead, id check call turn and river. If you feel bet, i'd likely bet-fold turn.

Re: 100/200. BLIND ON BLIND W/ ACENINE.
 

I don't really see any reason to call the turn if you are going to fold the river. I'd check call turn and river, or bet/fold turn

Re: 100/200. BLIND ON BLIND W/ ACENINE.
 

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I don't really see any reason to call the turn if you are going to fold the river.

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if you dont see it, that doesnt mean its not there.

Re: 100/200. BLIND ON BLIND W/ ACENINE.
 

I don't like checkraising the flop OOP here with this coordinated board against a good player. I think check-call, lead brick is better line. Or even...check-call, check-call, check-call (or poss bet-call, bet-fold, depending on the card). You give the guy too many ways to outplay you as played as well as make the most with the better hand. Just my initial reaction.

Jeff

Re: 100/200. BLIND ON BLIND W/ ACENINE.
 

I'm not saying its wrong, just wondering what you want to accomplish. Do you think he will check behind and give you a free showdown or maybe hes full of BS? I dont play anywhere near these limits so i'm not too sure.

Re: 100/200. BLIND ON BLIND W/ ACENINE.
 

Just wondering as to why you called his turn raise? Image play?

Re: 100/200. BLIND ON BLIND W/ ACENINE.
 

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Just wondering as to why you called his turn raise? Image play?

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There's a chance villain has KJ/AJ/JT? which he has 2-5 outs against, plus the 4 Q's may bring a split...so he has say 4.5 outs on average. That would technically require 9.2:1, but at this limit against this player we should consider the possibility we're being bluffed, and anyways we don't want to give the impression we fold to turn raises.

Re: 100/200. BLIND ON BLIND W/ ACENINE.
 

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Just wondering as to why you called his turn raise? Image play?

[/ QUOTE ]i thought there was a decent chance that MHWG.

Re: 100/200. BLIND ON BLIND W/ ACENINE.
 

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I don't like checkraising the flop OOP here with this coordinated board against a good player. I think check-call, lead brick is better line. Or even...check-call, check-call, check-call (or poss bet-call, bet-fold, depending on the card). You give the guy too many ways to outplay you as played as well as make the most with the better hand. Just my initial reaction.

Jeff

[/ QUOTE ]yeah thats a good initial reaction... i ch3ecked the flop planning to call and prob lead almost any turn, but then i raised.
calling is prob better here.

Re: 100/200. BLIND ON BLIND W/ ACENINE.
 

Not having looked at the other answers...

I would strongly consider capping preflop. Once you don't do that, I would checkcall that flop. It's no more than decent for your hand.

On the turn whether you checkraise or checkcall the flop, I would checkcall and usually fold the river unimproved if he bets again. I think the river will go check-check most of the times when I am ahead anyway.

Tough hand.

lars

Re: 100/200. BLIND ON BLIND W/ ACENINE.
 

I usually muck the turn I think.

It might be a little player dependant but against most yes. Why don't you just say the name of the player it was against?

Re: 100/200. BLIND ON BLIND W/ ACENINE.
 

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I don't really see any reason to call the turn if you are going to fold the river.

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I don't really see any reason to call the turn if you are going to fold the river.

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[/ QUOTE ]thx for the thoughtful analysis.

i didnt think he would bluff the river here.

Re: 100/200. BLIND ON BLIND W/ ACENINE.
 

I really see no problem w/ the way you played it on any street. pre-flop and flop are fine. turn and river are tough decisions but i certainly understand why you played it that way. You called the turn hoping he's bluffing AND that he'll then make the mistake of giving up on the bluff on the river. You weren't willing to pay 2 bets to catch a bluff, but was willing to pay 1 bet to catch a bluff plus opponent's river mistake.
With your strategy, you were getting 8-1 return, which you deemed worthwhile. Calling both turn and river would be 9-2 to catch a bluff which you didn't think worthwhile.
Of course, most important consideration here is not how your opponent plays but how he thinks you play. That's why it's a mistake to routinely play like this, but since he has no read on you, it's probably okay.

Re: 100/200. BLIND ON BLIND W/ ACENINE.
 

It looks fine to me, just about enough odds to call the turn raise as the dirty outs 3xA 2x9 4xQ can all make you a winner - to a degree. And he could be firing on AK all the way.

I hate sucky blind battles like this though as you are never quite sure where you are and it's expensive to find out.