PP. $33 - Level 2 draw
 

I'm on the button with A5c. 3 limpers to me. I limp in. Pot = $150. Flop comes 2c3c9d. I've got the nut flush draw, a straight draw, and an A. BB bets out $150. Two of the limpers call. Pot = $600 and its $150 to call. Fold, call, or raise? And why?

Re: PP. $33 - Level 2 draw
 

The stack sizes aren't listed, but it looks like an easy push to me if you have 700 or so behind.

You're probably 40-50%, depending on which outs are live, if you can see both cards. If one person calls, this gives you decent return on your investment. Two or more, you are stoked.

If you take the pot down right away, that's fine as well.

Call plus brick, you could get pushed out on the turn.

Re: PP. $33 - Level 2 draw
 

Assuming you have a party poker esque chipstack of something like 6-800 here, I just push it allin on the flop.

Re: PP. $33 - Level 2 draw
 

I'm with the push crowd. Most of the time, you have 15 outs and are the favorite to win. Even in the worst case scenario (vs. a set) you still have enough outs that your push is only marginally -EV...and that's the VERY worst case.

Re: PP. $33 - Level 2 draw
 

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I'm counting the 3 aces, 4 fours, and 8 remaining clubs (not counting the 4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] twice) to get to 15. How do you get 16?

Re: PP. $33 - Level 2 draw
 

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yahtzee

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I'm counting the 3 aces, 4 fours, and 8 remaining clubs (not counting the 4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] twice) to get to 15. How do you get 16?

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yahtzee

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I'm counting the 3 aces, 4 fours, and 8 remaining clubs (not counting the 4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] twice) to get to 15. How do you get 16?

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I'm not so sure about the Aces being live, or all the clubs
(high chance somebody else is in there with a draw). But it's still a push.

Re: PP. $33 - Level 2 draw
 

I don't have the hand history handy but to the best of my recollection I think I had about 800 behind and most of the players invloved had the same + or - a few dollars. Now, for the next question. Why push instead of just raising?

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I don't have the hand history handy but to the best of my recollection I think I had about 800 behind and most of the players invloved had the same + or - a few dollars. Now, for the next question. Why push instead of just raising?

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What meaningful amount are you going to raise to when the pot is already $600?

And it's not like you have a monster and want to keep people in. If they come along, fine, but you are happy to take the pot down now.

Plus, you don't want to second guess on the turn. When you push, you leave yourself no choice but to see two cards.

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