High Hands Suck
 

7 Card Stud High-Low ($10/$20), Ante $1, Bring-In $3 (converter)

3rd Street - (0.80 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls___calls
Seat 2: xx xx J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___completes___calls
Hero: Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___raises___calls
Seat 4: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___raises
Seat 5: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___brings-in___folds
Seat 6: xx xx 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 7: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 8: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds

4th Street - (13.10 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___checks___calls (all-in)
Seat 2: xx xx J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___bets___calls
Hero: Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___raises
Seat 4: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls

5th Street - (9.66 BB)

Seat 1: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___all-in
Seat 2: xx xx J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls
Hero: Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 4: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___bets

6th Street - (11.66 BB)

Seat 1: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___all-in
Seat 2: xx xx J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___bets
Seat 4: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls

River - (13.66 BB)

Seat 1: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] xx___all-in
Seat 2: xx xx J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] xx___bets
Seat 4: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] xx___folds

Total pot: (14.66 BB)

Cap third? Call fourth?

I reiterate
 

7 Card Stud High-Low ($10/$20), Ante $1, Bring-In $3 (converter)

3rd Street - (0.70 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___brings-in___calls
Seat 2: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds
Hero: K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___completes
Seat 4: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 5: xx xx J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 6: xx xx 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 8: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___folds

4th Street - (3.70 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls
Hero: K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___checks___calls
Seat 6: xx xx 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___bets

5th Street - (3.35 BB)

Seat 1: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___checks
Hero: K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___checks
Seat 6: xx xx 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___checks

6th Street - (3.35 BB)

Seat 1: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___checks___folds
Hero: K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___bets
Seat 6: xx xx 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___checks___calls

River - (5.35 BB)

Hero: K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 6: xx xx 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] xx___bets

Total pot: (7.35 BB)

Results:
Main Pot: $144 | Rake: $3

Hero: [ Kh 4c Kd 2c 8h 4h 9h ] [ two pairs, kings and fours -- Kh,Kd,9h,4c,4h ]

Seat 6: [ As 3s 7d 5s 5c Jc Ah ] [ two pairs, aces and fives -- As,Ah,Jc,5s,5c ]

Re: High Hands Suck
 

I think third is fine. Cap? What the hell do you think the guy behind you is three-betting with? On fourth, the pot is bloated, so I don't think the raise is going to knock much of anyone out. I'd call and hope to get lucky. Definitely fold fifth.

Re: I reiterate
 

Fold fourth. See HLSP4AP.

Re: High Hands Suck
 

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I think third is fine. Cap? What the hell do you think the guy behind you is three-betting with? On fourth, the pot is bloated, so I don't think the raise is going to knock much of anyone out. I'd call and hope to get lucky. Definitely fold fifth.

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I guess I kind of forgot to mention that Seat 4 is insane. That's kind of important.

Re: I reiterate
 

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Fold fourth. See HLSP4AP.

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Against reasonable opponents this is obviously correct. What about against LAGgy idiots?

Re: High Hands Suck
 

OK, so the guy is insane. I don't think that's a reason to cap with a weakish one-way hand.

Re: I reiterate
 

Well, I don't know how "obvious" it is. I know it took a long time for that to sink in for me. Even against maniacs, the pot is small, and you have a weakish one-way hand. If folding is wrong, it ain't wrong by much. This hand could get very tricky later on.

Re: High Hands Suck
 

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OK, so the guy is insane. I don't think that's a reason to cap with a weakish one-way hand.

[/ QUOTE ] andy, he did not cap, he 3 bet to try to get heads up with a door card smaller than his opponent. i think if you're going to play this hand it's raise or fold on 3rd. Some experts contend that qq is an auto muck, others say you must be sure you have the best high hand. Against maniacs you can never be sure, as he might show three big unpaired cards or aces in the hole. Here's my philosophy vs. maniacs - wait for a premium hand and demolish them with it, playing back at them on all streets. It's hard concede over and over to these freaks, but maniacs play huge pots, so why not wait for a huge hand that wants to play a big pot, and crush them. Andy points out judiciously that this a weakish hand in 8/b.

Re: High Hands Suck
 

He didn't three-bet on third. He made it two bets and asked if he should have capped. I say no.

What "experts" say that QQ is an auto-muck on third street?