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Woolygimp 12-08-2005 06:51 PM

How to counter a continuation bet?
 
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

MP1 ($155.50)
MP2 ($115.50)
MP3 ($202.20)
CO ($200)
Button ($248.79)
SB ($209.55)
BB ($301.50)
UTG ($366.20)
UTG+1 ($216.50)
Hero ($181.15)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $1.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls $2, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $9</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls $7.

Flop: ($21) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $20</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero ???

My default line here is to check/fold, sometimes lead out. If your fairly confident your opponent is on overcards and that your 88 is good what line is the most effective?

Leading out seems good, obviously fold to any resistance.
Does anyone c/r here and if so how much? The reason I ask is this seems like one of the few times to use a min-raise. You don't want to commit anymore chips than is necessary to take down the pot &amp; most players will fold overs to any raise on this board.

So assuming I use the line:
Hero Checks, Villain Bets Pot (20), Hero raises to 40.
Exactly how effective is this line in this situation?

And yes I know, "If I think im ahead I should lead out PSB."

fanmail 12-08-2005 06:53 PM

Re: How to counter a continuation bet?
 
You could call and then lead out for ~$50 on a non A,K turn. Or you could raise right now. Or you could check-raise the turn.

Woolygimp 12-08-2005 06:55 PM

Re: How to counter a continuation bet?
 
Well I was wondering if this is one of the rare occasions in a cash game where a min-raise is effective?

Big_Jim 12-08-2005 06:59 PM

Re: How to counter a continuation bet?
 
What is your plan for the turn when you are called?

Assuming it is check/fold... I think it's a decent line... although I never do it.

My main problem is that if I was really going to check/raise with a J, I would want to put more money in the pot.

Woolygimp 12-08-2005 07:00 PM

Re: How to counter a continuation bet?
 
Jim, assuming I get called I'm pretty much done with the hand.

Big_Jim 12-08-2005 07:05 PM

Re: How to counter a continuation bet?
 
Do you make this play with a J?

ludo72 12-08-2005 07:07 PM

Re: How to counter a continuation bet?
 
I don't ever min-raise anyone's c-bets, but when I'm in Villains spot and someone leads into me when I've raised pre-flop I often like to test them with a min-raise even if I missed the flop. This is ofcourse read dependant, but I find that leading into the pre-flop raiser is often an informational bet and so I give them what they want.

Woolygimp 12-08-2005 07:14 PM

Re: How to counter a continuation bet?
 
No, I probaly wouldn't but I'm going on the basis that a min c/r here w/ a J is a common line by most players.

soah 12-08-2005 07:15 PM

Re: How to counter a continuation bet?
 
What makes you so sure that your opponent has overcards and not an overpair?

Obviously if you "know" your hand is good you can do damn near anything you want to because it's impossible to get bluffed out.

Woolygimp 12-08-2005 07:19 PM

Re: How to counter a continuation bet?
 
Nothing in poker is absolutely sure. This is obviously a read dependent play, so I ask you, "have any of your reads been 100%?"


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