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Poker Jon 11-02-2005 12:30 PM

How would you play these rivers and what do you put your opponent on?
 
Hi All,

Not posted in a while. Would appreciate feedback on two hands.

Stars 1/2 Cash - I have $200. No reads yet as first few hands at the table

Hand 1

I get 88 UTG and raise to $6, 1 caller in MP.

Flop
T 7 2
I bet out $10 and MP calls
Turn is Q, I check and he bets $22. I call.
River is 3, I check and he bets $58.

What do you do?

Hand 2

I have $380 in front of me at the same table.

Villain has just over $100 and is UTG. He has just lost a big hand to me.
He calls, I call in MP with KQo and we have 5 to the flop.

Flop - 7h 3h 2d. Checked all round
Turn - Ks. check, check, villain bets $8, I call and all fold.
River - Kh. Villian bets $12.

What is your move here?

Cheers for all answers. I will post the answers up shortly.

Jon

11-02-2005 12:48 PM

Re: How would you play these rivers and what do you put your opponent on?
 
Hand 1: Lead or check/fold turn.

Hand 2: Call river. Getting 3-bet sucks here.

TheWorstPlayer 11-02-2005 01:24 PM

Re: How would you play these rivers and what do you put your opponent on?
 
Bet the turn in hand 1. Raise the river in hand 2.

djoyce003 11-02-2005 01:25 PM

Re: How would you play these rivers and what do you put your opponent on?
 
[ QUOTE ]
Hand 1: Lead or check/fold turn.

Hand 2: Call river. Getting 3-bet sucks here.

[/ QUOTE ]

Nah this opponent is likely tilting and could threebet with a lot of hands you beat.

11-02-2005 01:48 PM

Re: How would you play these rivers and what do you put your opponent on?
 
How do you react to a huge 3-bet / push? Villain may be tilted, but may also be exploiting his image and know you think he may be tilted, especially immediatly after losing a pot.

Poker Jon 11-02-2005 02:42 PM

Re: How would you play these rivers and what do you put your opponent on?
 
Interesting reading here and AJ, not a bad read on Hand 2.

In Hand 1 I reversed, the hands. I was the player in MP (and I held AJs) and decided that UTG had a small pair. I thought I could bluff him off this pot with a large bet on the river. Anyway, he called, which IMO is a terrible call. He had third best pair here.

On rereading Hand 1, how do you rate my play with AJs here?

Hand 2

I decided to stupidly min raise the $12 bet (If figured, as he was tilting, he may well call with not a lot!). He then immediately reraised all in for another $75 or so.

After a while, I decided to fold, as I thought he was pushing his tilting image here, and gave him credit for a hand (either a boat, AK, or a small flush!).

I folded my KQ, and he showed his cards ---> KQ.

D'oh! If anything, this has taught me to rarely min raise the river. I think a raise all in, or a call is a better play here!

Any further comments appreicated!

Jon

11-02-2005 04:22 PM

Re: How would you play these rivers and what do you put your opponent
 
Hand 1: Good reason not to bluff like this at these stakes without a read. You picked the wrong guy to get fancy with. Never bluff a calling station, and your opponent played that part well. Make a note, and you should be able to get your money back from him fairly quickly.

Hand 2: I don't like blindly raising all in with your holding here, and I really don't like getting 3 bet like you did, which adds up to me calling.

rikz 11-02-2005 05:20 PM

Re: How would you play these rivers and what do you put your opponent on?
 
Hand 1:

Fold.

I'd have check/folded the turn after that cold call to my continuation bet. Unless he has 89, what is he drawing at? Raising preflop is fine. A continuation bet is fine. But now it's time to lett 88 go. It's just an underpair that's losing to AT, JT, and any other xT, not to mention better hands like a set of 7s or 2s.

Hand 2-

Call.

I think raising is risky because K7s, K3s, and K2s are all possibilities in an unraised pot. Just call and win a nice medium sized pot and be happy.

Also, I'd probably fold KQo preflop in this hand.

PokerCat69 11-02-2005 06:01 PM

Re: How would you play these rivers and what do you put your opponent
 
Hand 1: Check/Fold Turn.

Hand 2 Call River.

TheWorstPlayer 11-02-2005 06:04 PM

Re: How would you play these rivers and what do you put your opponent
 
You guys are missing TONS of value if you're not raising the river in hand 2. I'd rather get all in every time than call every time. People overplay trips, no kicker all the time. And people make loose calls on paired boards all the time. And stacks are not deep.


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