10/20NL, TPTK against a half stack
 

Villain in this hand is 32/6/2. Don't know enough to comment on his postflop play. My table image is pretty TAG.

Villain has $1091 to start and I cover. One limper. I make it $80 in the SB w/ A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Villain calls from BB. Limper calls.

Flop A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

I bet $200. Villain minraises to $400. Limper folds. I call.

Turn is T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

I check. Villain bets $300. I go all-in for $331 more.

Can anyone find a fold at any point in this hand or do you go broke here?

Assuming you call flop, is there any way you can fold this turn? It's probably the best card in the deck besides an A or K.

Re: 10/20NL, TPTK against a half stack
 

if he flipped up AQ would you post this?

Re: 10/20NL, TPTK against a half stack
 

Probably not. Most of the hands I post, I lose the pot. Much more likely I made a mistake in a hand I lost than a hand I won.

Re: 10/20NL, TPTK against a half stack
 

cant remember the last time i folded AK on AT8 against a half stack, but this guy definitely played this hand in a way that makes possible... tough decision on the turn, i mean 300? are you kidding me?

Re: 10/20NL, TPTK against a half stack
 

flawless - I am just going to start underbetting against you and 1800gambler, as you seem so eager to check-fold everytime someone bets a goofy amount.

Re: 10/20NL, TPTK against a half stack
 

Doubt it changes much, but I forgot to mention this was 6 handed.

Re: 10/20NL, TPTK against a half stack
 

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Villain in this hand is 32/6/2. Don't know enough to comment on his postflop play. My table image is pretty TAG.

Villain has $1091 to start and I cover. One limper. I make it $80 in the SB w/ A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Villain calls from BB. Limper calls.

Flop A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

I bet $200. Villain minraises to $400. Limper folds. I call.

Turn is T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

I check. Villain bets $300. I go all-in for $331 more.

Can anyone find a fold at any point in this hand or do you go broke here?



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You can't go broke, you have him covered.

I've got no problem with putting him allin. Remember, if he were any good, he'd have a full stack.

But if he's a guy who only raises when he has two pair or better (and only minraises), take note for next time.

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flawless - I am just going to start underbetting against you and 1800gambler, as you seem so eager to check-fold everytime someone bets a goofy amount.

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pot is 1K, he has 650 left and he bet 300. jesus.

Re: 10/20NL, TPTK against a half stack
 

Meh, if you doubled him up you'll just win it back anyway [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img].

-SmileyEH

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Remember, if he were any good, he'd have a full stack.

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This is not true. There are plenty of strategical advantages to having a short stack, and I've seen many good winning players play high stakes NL w/ min buyins.

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Remember, if he were any good, he'd have a full stack.

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This is not true. There are plenty of strategical advantages to having a short stack, and I've seen many good winning players play high stakes NL w/ min buyins.

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maybe, but they should all die horrible deaths anyways.

Re: 10/20NL, TPTK against a half stack
 

Matt Flynn often buys short, apparently.

Re: 10/20NL, TPTK against a half stack
 

Playing short stacked probably has its own advantages.

Instead of bashing the short stacks, you should learn to adapt your play when you find one on your table. Nobody likes short stacks, but its a different kind of challenge/adjustment(just like you would adjust to a Maniac or fish at your table).

Re: 10/20NL, TPTK against a half stack
 

Just because you lost a pot.. doesnt mean you played it wrong... Thats a great flop for AK..., i'd get my money in with it...

Re: 10/20NL, TPTK against a half stack
 

playing a large stack is a dominated strategy.

The only problem with min buy-ins is that they also maximize the rake relative to played pot size.

I like 50BB, it's my confort zone...

Alix

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It's true to the extent that to maximize your BB/100, assuming you are a winning player with 100BB stacks, you would reload every time your stack fell below the max.

I find your post so typical. If you take 100 NL players and 100 Limit players, I guarantee the majority of NL players will say NL is the more difficult/challenging/skill intensive/etc. game, while the majority of Limit players will defend limit. Similarly, you seem to be defending tourney players.

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It's true to the extent that to maximize your BB/100, assuming you are a winning player with 100BB stacks, you would reload every time your stack fell below the max.

I find your post so typical. If you take 100 NL players and 100 Limit players, I guarantee the majority of NL players will say NL is the more difficult/challenging/skill intensive/etc. game, while the majority of Limit players will defend limit. Similarly, you seem to be defending tourney players.

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I'm not defending them at all. If anything I'm saying the opposite.

I agree that an EXPERT (not that I did not use the word "winning") player will earn more with deeper stacks, but a player with solid preflop standards and not much else will do better playing a short stack because of the ability to get all-in easier.

Also in aggressive games like the UB 50/100, there is a lot to be said for buying in short to counter act the hyper-aggressive, but overall skilled play in that game.

If you think my opinion comes frmo being a tourney player, you are 100% wrong.

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playing a large stack is a dominated strategy.

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ummmm. . . . lol

P.S. whitelime. . hand is fine.

Re: 10/20NL, TPTK against a half stack
 

I 3 bet and push it in on flop, lots of draws possible, and if I do call a raise looking for a safe turn, I push at him not allowing a free card, and if I do ck this turn, and he bets the $300, I put him in just like you did.

Re: 10/20NL, TPTK against a half stack
 

Playing short is a skill which most people who buy in short dont have
They generally suck. Then again most players suck.