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amoeba 06-22-2005 12:02 PM

Experiment with raised pots
 
I think I'm going to try an experiment.

When I'm preflop raiser and I'm HU on the flop and the flop is uncoordinated, I will always check the flop when checked to.

What do you guys think?

-Skeme- 06-22-2005 12:04 PM

Re: Experiment with raised pots
 
-EV

amoeba 06-22-2005 12:10 PM

Re: Experiment with raised pots
 
you should explain instead of just making a broad statement like that.

I'll ask you a question.

When you raise preflop and flop top pair or overpair on a non coordinated flop, do you bet all 3 streets and how much do you bet all 3 streets?

RiverFenix 06-22-2005 12:14 PM

Re: Experiment with raised pots
 
PFR means nothing really, what are your hand ranges...? For 6max you could hold pp's, broadway cards, sc's, Axs, etc and checking them each and everytime time on the flop is -ev.

-Skeme- 06-22-2005 12:19 PM

Re: Experiment with raised pots
 
-EV should be self explanatory. I think you lose more often than you win. I see very little good coming from checking behind every time you're the preflop aggressor in a HU situation. It completely eliminates the continuation bet, which should usually pick up the pot. When you flop a strong hand on a draw heavy board, it gives your opponent infinite odds. Other than trapping with a solid hand on a rainbow, scattered flop, the only thing I see being slightly positive is when you're against a monster. And then you don't know if they're betting into you because you always check behind or if they indeed have a good hand.

What do you do when they lead? Just cancel the concept and play accordingly?

As for your question, I can't answer that. Also too broad. It weighs heavily on the opponent aswell as the hand itself. An overpair could be a pair of Fours. Lots of it depends on information you aren't offering. Sorry. Let us know how the expirement goes.

amoeba 06-22-2005 12:21 PM

Re: Experiment with raised pots
 
lets say table is calling station then.

or table is maniac capable of checkraising with any 2 to snap off continuation.

amoeba 06-22-2005 12:24 PM

Re: Experiment with raised pots
 
I didn't say each and everytime. I said on a uncoordinated flop.

But lets say its uncoordinated flops with no broadway.

in this instance I think always betting out, which I suspect what lot of this board does, is incorrect. In this instance you are representing overpair each and everytime and I think its silly to believe that the typical SSNL opponent will believe you.

RiverFenix 06-22-2005 12:26 PM

Re: Experiment with raised pots
 
Yeah but you should be leading out a majority of the time, let them make the moves to decide if you have the overpair or not. If you only raise when you catch a piece youre going to be way to predictable

-Skeme- 06-22-2005 12:28 PM

Re: Experiment with raised pots
 
Not enough information, what is your range? What is your image? What is your plan on turn? What if they lead first?

amoeba 06-22-2005 12:28 PM

Re: Experiment with raised pots
 
my original assertion is that I check the flop regardless of me having overpair or set or overcards or oesd with suited connectors or gutshot.

nowhere did I say I'll raise only when I catch a piece.


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