Bally\'s AC Floor: Live Straddles prohibited by NJ Gaming Commission???
 

I was playing 2/4 yesterday at Ballys Atlantic City. I had only planned on playing there for a little bit just to check out the room, but the game was amazing and I was running over the table. (9 to the flop capped preflop)

I was getting bored sometimes and I had a huge stack and would straddle every few rounds. The fist 2 dealers I did it with had no problem with it, but on another down the action got back to me and I tried to raise, and was told I couldn't. The dealer said there are no straddles and when I told him I straddles all that ment to him was a blind raise.

I pulled my raise back to keep the action going because the floor was slow as [censored] at responding to floor calls, but I asked a floorman if this was Bally's policy and he told me "No, live Straddles are not allowed in Atlantic City, it's New Jersey law". Is this accurate?

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Just wait till you get your cards and announce "blind raise."

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That does not solve the problem, read my post again.

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I have heard many times that live straddles are prohibited by ACGC. However, I am not an expert.

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Also, I have no idea where I pulled "ACGC" from.

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Atlantic City Gaming Commission? Who knows.

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I have heard many times that live straddles are prohibited by ACGC. However, I am not an expert.

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That sucks. I just couldn't undserstand why 2 dealers had no problem with it then.

(Well I do understand, it's because they are retarded)

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I don't know exactly who prohibits it, but you can't live straddle in AC, you can blind raise, which means you can't make it 3 bets when it gets back to you.

AC has lots of wierd rules, that's one of them

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AC has lots of wierd rules, that's one of them

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True. Another strange AC rule regulates the color of chip denominations. $5 chips MUST be red. $10 have to be blue, and so on. In Vegas, OTOH, casinos seem to have the freedom to do whatever they want with their chip colors. Yes, blackis usually $100 and green $25, etc, but MGM has blue $1's, Aladdin has white $1s...

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AC has lots of wierd rules, that's one of them

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True. Another strange AC rule regulates the color of chip denominations. $5 chips MUST be red. $10 have to be blue, and so on. In Vegas, OTOH, casinos seem to have the freedom to do whatever they want with their chip colors. Yes, blackis usually $100 and green $25, etc, but MGM has blue $1's, Aladdin has white $1s...

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I like the chip denomination rule. It's good to be consistant. I do wisht the $1 would be blue instead of white. It's so much cooler (and gets less dirty)

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I like the chip denomination rule. It's good to be consistant. I do wisht the $1 would be blue instead of white. It's so much cooler (and gets less dirty)

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Yes, but then my Borgata $10 wouldn't be as oddball and I couldn't use it as a card holder at Foxwoods. (I guess then I'd use a $10 white....)

I've also been told that straddles are prohibted by NJ law.

It seems they're actually more regulated than NV casinos. I do like the thought that I can redeem my chips 30 years after the casino goes under, however.

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I do like the thought that I can redeem my chips 30 years after the casino goes under, however.

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Huh? How's this work?

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Atlantic City is much more regulated than Las Vegas. It has actually gotten better over the years though. They used to have a rule that chips could only be purchased at a gaming table and that is how it was with poker back in the 90's. Dealers were constantly asking for fills. I was surprised to find this rule gone when I returned there to play in the last couple of years. Other oddities include the abscence of a drop box for the rake, it just goes back in the dealer tray which is fixed and does not travel with the dealer as I've seen at Turning Stone. Also in the house games area, all blackjack must be dealt face up from a shoe and you cannot bet cash, it must be first changed for chips.

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AC has lots of wierd rules, that's one of them

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True. Another strange AC rule regulates the color of chip denominations. $5 chips MUST be red. $10 have to be blue, and so on. In Vegas, OTOH, casinos seem to have the freedom to do whatever they want with their chip colors. Yes, blackis usually $100 and green $25, etc, but MGM has blue $1's, Aladdin has white $1s...

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I think in most states the chip colors are: $1- blue or white, $5- red, $25- green, $100- black, $500- purple and so on. it's like that here in oklahoma at every casino, but I don't think it's a state rule because some places have orange $10 chips and some are yellow etc.

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Also in the house games area, all blackjack must be dealt face up from a shoe...

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This is not true.

Straddling prohibited? GOOD!
 

GOOD POLICY. Love New Jersey gaming !!!!! [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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Also in the house games area, all blackjack must be dealt face up from a shoe

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Not sure that I believe this, but I understand AC casinos cannot prohibit card counting. (I'm sure they make up for that by leveraging other rules in the house's favor, like restricting what you can split and double down.)

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Ballys has possibly the worst dealer/floor combo. It is almost funny how bad they are

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Other oddities include the abscence of a drop box for the rake, it just goes back in the dealer tray which is fixed and does not travel with the dealer as I've seen at Turning Stone. Also in the house games area, all blackjack must be dealt face up from a shoe

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U need to get out to see the world more, Turning Stone is not the center of the universe. Many casinos don't have a drop box for the rake, its not that odd. Also the dealers cards are not delt face up as you claimed.

MaxPower, Mosch, and myself decided to get drunk and play every hand when Resorts opened it's poker room (actually not a room, it was a roped off area) last spring. The floor there told us a live straddle was legal in Atlantic City, but the floor people at their competitors claim it was not for their own reasons while blaming it on Casino Control. I don't know if he was correct, but I can tell you I was a lot of live straddles in that game.

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They don't allow live stradles at the Borg, and the floor person there said it was because of the NJGC.

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Ballys has possibly the worst dealer/floor combo. It is almost funny how bad they are

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Also, your site misled me [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] (or Ballys changed policy). Hot dogs were $2.50, not free. Cheap bastards.

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Im so sorry....
When I read your comment I called them up to find out what the deal was. Turns out they charge if you are playing limit, but if you play NL it is free.....F*ed up but that is the way they do it. It also explains why I never knew that, as I only play NL.
So I am off to correct that bit of information.
http://www.78suited.com/BallysPR.html

....and I owe you a hot dog or a drink, when we bump into eachother down in AC.
Jon

BTW, can you at least confirm that it was a damn good hot dog [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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Im so sorry....
When I read your comment I called them up to find out what the deal was. Turns out they carge if you are playing limit, but if you play NL it is free.....F*ed up but that is the way they do it. It also explains why I never knew that, as I only play NL.
So I am off to correct that bit of information.
....and I owe you a hot dog or a drink, when we bump into eachother down in AC.
Jon

BTW, can you at least confirm that it was a damn good hot dog [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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It was a damn good hotdog. I didn't mind paying for it, the waitress told me when I ordered it it would be $2.50 so I didn't care.

The waitress service was terribly slow though, but this was management's fault, there were only 2 waitresses when every table in the room was full.

The other thing is that they would not spread any limit higher than 2/4 even though there were 7 of us on the interest list for 3/6. Every new table opened was 1/2 NL or a few 1-5 7Stud

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I definitely posted my share of live straddles in that game.

I tried to google up the actual rules, but only found proposed rule changes.

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Also in the house games area, all blackjack must be dealt face up from a shoe

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Not sure that I believe this, but I understand AC casinos cannot prohibit card counting. (I'm sure they make up for that by leveraging other rules in the house's favor, like restricting what you can split and double down.)

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If I am not mistaken, Atlantic City casinos are not allowed to throw you out for counting, but they can restrict you to a fixed bet size, or move the cut card to half the shoe, either of which will eliminate your advantage.

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I think in most states the chip colors are: $1- blue or white, $5- red, $25- green, $100- black, $500- purple and so on....

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See http://poker.wikicities.com/wiki/Chip_colors

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I do like the thought that I can redeem my chips 30 years after the casino goes under, however.

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Huh? How's this work?

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I read somewhere that there's a fund maintained by the Casino Control Commission, presumably from its tax on the non-defunct casinos, for this purpose.

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Glad to see they are changing the rule that was being enforced (albeit briefly) this year where they couldn't announce "Open Seating".

After it was discussed on here, I noticed early this summer that they weren't doing it at Borgata, and then on a more recent trip, I noticed the announcements again. Guess the interpretation changed, which is why I'm glad they are clearing that up in the rules. It was just stupid not to be able to say "Open seating at 10/20" after you've emptied the list.

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In blackjack, I was referring to the players cards. Face down "pitch" games such as were once common in Nevada were never legal in AC. The Golden Nugget got fined something like 20K for dealing one by special request and that led to Steve Wynn leaving AC to build the Mirage.

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You are correct, AC cannot bar counters. That's how we got the 8 deck game. Originally all the rules such as no resplit and double after split were standard NJCC rules. There is a little more flex in the rules recently but overall the game is the same from one casino to another, very unlike Nevada where the casinos have a great deal more freedom about blackjack rules

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They wouldn't let me live straddle at Turning Stone last time I was there either. Suck.

NT

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In blackjack, I was referring to the players cards. Face down "pitch" games such as were once common in Nevada were never legal in AC. The Golden Nugget got fined something like 20K for dealing one by special request and that led to Steve Wynn leaving AC to build the Mirage.

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I have played blackjack at the Taj and they dealt face down in the single deck game.

Durs

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I don't know exactly who prohibits it, but you can't live straddle in AC, you can blind raise, which means you can't make it 3 bets when it gets back to you.

AC has lots of wierd rules, that's one of them

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I think the live straddle is the weird rule.

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If there is any CCC prohibition on live straddles, it's news to me. I posted a live straddle several times in a 2/4 game at the Sands a few months ago. No issue was raised by the other players or dealer