simple situation, yet I am unsure.
 

Crypto 2/4 5 handed. I am working on my SH game, but have been running quite bad lately, so I am questioning things.

Villain here is somewhat loose aggressive pre-flop (about 36/16). I have seen him 3-bet in the SB with QJs, but call in the same situation with Q7s. Post flop he is very aggressive with stuff like middle pair, but I have never seen a semi-bluff from him. To be fair, I have not seen that many hands of his period, so maybe it has just not come up. I have seen him check an OESD on the turn heads up after it had been checked through on the flop. I have also seen him c/r the flop, get 3-bet and then fold the turn. OK, on to the hand.

Villain limps in the CO and I raise in the SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. BB folds and he calls. Two to the flop for 5SB.

Flop is 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. I bet and he calls.

Turn is 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. I bet and he raises. I fold.

Re: simple situation, yet I am unsure.
 

Nice hand, there aren't many, if any, other ways to play it better.

Re: simple situation, yet I am unsure.
 

The read makes it an easy fold.

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I think I play it the same.

Re: simple situation, yet I am unsure.
 

fine

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very easy fold.

when you're running bad [censored] like this happens ALL THE TIME. when I start missing with my overs out of position over and over again I will often switch tables because I start being suspicious that people are taking shots at me but if you call this down you are going to see a monster hand more often than not.

FYI calling this down is a very very easy thing to do in SH play in my opinion, it's almost always terrible.

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FYI calling this down is a very very easy thing to do in SH play in my opinion, it's almost always terrible.

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This was my thinking, but it is very nice to have it confirmed. Thank you all. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Re: simple situation, yet I am unsure.
 

I'd fold too. Your six outs aren't to the nuts by any stretch.

Re: simple situation, yet I am unsure.
 

GET THOSE BRAINS WORKING PEOPLE!


"Villain limps in the CO and I raise in the SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. BB folds and he calls. Two to the flop for 5SB."

Flop is 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. I bet and he calls.

Turn is K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. I bet and he raises.... HERO?

I'll let you have the King of clubs rather than the ace as it changes things a bit IMO [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Re: simple situation, yet I am unsure.
 

call down with that TPTK

Re: simple situation, yet I am unsure.
 

call down with a pair of kings

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So you think we'll win often enough to call down.

You see i chose the king rather than ace as ace is more of a common pair (Ace +rag). King however isnt as common and in CO is usually a raise or fold.

16% PFR from a villan i'd be suprised if he didnt raise it.

So here i put him on a flush more so than a king, maybe a bluff too but OP's read says he didnt bet a OESD... so he seems to like his hit hands as opposed to drawing hands.

So if we disregaurd a bluff attempt, assume a flush or a king.

now ill pick two lines for us, Call down is simple its either a win or a loss, Establishing the number of times we win or lose must be equal for this to be break even. +2 bets sometimes, -2bets another time.


So say we spend these two bets to 3bet him.

Now a flush will most likly cap, A king will call or fold.

We can fold to a cap and lose showdown as we assume we're behind anyhow. However if he calls we get 3bets out of him for this 3bet... and 1 on the river if we bet.

Occasionally he'll fold a king and call down with a flush.

So upon review, it seems 3betting sucks. Should he always call down a king though we're getting maybe a tad more out of him?

Although you could argue a flush will call us down sometimes too(Weak queen high or something) and lose again.

I'm just testing out different lines and trying to establish which lines work vs what hands.

Cheers guys [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Thought i'd try get a bit more content out of this [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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i don't follow?

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Cheers guys [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Thought i'd try get a bit more content out of this [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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Thanks. Sorry my OP was so relatively contentless. I have been feeling terribly weak-tight recently, so I wanted a gut check. Unfortunately the hand I chose was not particularly good (but it shows how weak I've been feeling [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]) Your addition definitely is helping to get me back on track, mentally.

Re: simple situation, yet I am unsure.
 

No worrys Octopus - The turn BET is actually more interesting than the fold after the raise IMO.

Its often tough to wonder wheter to bet OOP or check/call or even C/f.

Betting gets us raises by bluffs and flushes, Checking gets us bet into by bluffs a hell of alot more but doesn't get us raised if we wish to continue.

I'd want to know his "Fold Turn %'s" and WTSD/W$SD. Also WSDWRT (Won Show Down When Raise Turn %'s).

Although your read says he seems to only play made hands however he also checked behind with a OESD. So this implys he may not bet as a bluff so a check/call.

HMM i'll come back to this tommorow. Going bed now. Probably double post here sorry.