Rose Bowl = Laugher
 

Is it just me, or does anyone else here think that this game isn't going to be close at all. SC wins this by at least 20 points!

SC has the best offense... ever.

SC will out scheme Texas on both sides of the ball. Texas hasn't seen an offense or defense anywhere near as complex as (or fast) as SC's.

Carroll will have one linebacker spy on Young in order to contain him. Plus, with 4 weeks to plan, Carroll will find ways to get favorable matchups on both sides ofthe ball (especially between SC D and Texas O).

Plus, Texas already has been talking way too much smack. Sc's only knock over the last 2 years is that they sometimes wait too long to shift into second gear. Vince Young promising a Texas win (and insulting Bush publicly) should take care of that.

Plus, SC has home field with the game being in LA. SC alumni are the ones jacking ticket prices up to $1000+ each for the worst seats (and the worst seats in the Rose Bowl are painfully bad).

Again, I say SC wins this by 20.

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As a person that believes Texas has a great chance of winning, I will respond with this.

Fresno St game.

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It's just you.

BTW, which one of USC's linebackers do you think can contain Young?

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I too believe that USC will clobber Texas. I will place a large wager on USC at any price -7 or better.

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Texas hasn't seen an offense or defense anywhere near as complex as (or fast) as SC's.

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Offense I agree, but defense? Come on, Fresno ST went up and down the field on them.

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BTW, which one of USC's linebackers do you think can contain Young?

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The LB won't contain him alone. One LB will be set as a spy on Young. The spy, plus SC's Team speed on D, plus some well desguised CB/safety blitzes will contain Young.

The complexity of the offenses and denfenses run in the Pac 10 are always underrated by everyone that doesn't live on the west coast. (Oh, and SC is the best of the Pac 10) Texas will see things on both sides of the ball against SC that they only have seen a video game. Don't think so? Ask Jason White and Bob Stoops what happened last Jan?

So, Texas fans, who will stop Bush?

If that works, who will stop White, or Leinart, or Jarrett, or Byrd?

What happens when all 5 are in the game at the same time? Hell, there's even talk that Bing will move to offense for a few plays and get in a few carries. What then?

Barring turnovers, Texas will have horrible field position every time it starts a drive. Speaking of turnovers, anyone familiar with 'SC turnover ratio this year?

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20 points? How much is the bet. I will cover you with poker stars money. Name an amount and if it is not a bankroll buster, you got a bet. I get UT +20

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I for one am glad you started another thread instead of putting it in one of the other 20 threads on this subject.

Is astro a sports fan?

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As a person that believes Texas has a great chance of winning, I will respond with this.

Fresno St game.

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Texas A&M game.

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Fresno state runs a train on USC's defense and you think they will still contain Vince Young?

are u kidding me

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Speed kills...especially in college football. USC is one of the fastest teams offensively ever. With a month to rest up and their legs fresh, I look for the Trojans to run away from Texas and win/cover easily.--Big Al--

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Has anybody seen a sportsbook with individual player props on this game yet?

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As a person that believes Texas has a great chance of winning, I will respond with this.

Fresno St game.

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Texas A&M game.

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Tech beat me to it!


So, when has Texas faced any team with the speed and/or complexity of SC's offense or defense? Oh, and when have they faced a team with both? Umm.. never and that could be a problem.

Just ask Bob Stoops about last year's game.

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Of course Texas is not a perfect team, but this business about Texas A&M has absolutely no relevance to the original post, which claimed that SC has a uniquely complex defense. If you want to argue "SC has a vulnerable defense, but it won't matter because Texas can't open it up the way Fresno State can," then fine, but it would be a different discussion than the one we've been having.

Does anyone actually want to contest the point that the caliber of SC's defense is nowhere close to the caliber of its offense?

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Of course Texas is not a perfect team, but this business about Texas A&M has absolutely no relevance to the original post, which claimed that SC has a uniquely complex defense. If you want to argue "SC has a vulnerable defense, but it won't matter because Texas can't open it up the way Fresno State can," then fine, but it would be a different discussion than the one we've been having.

Does anyone actually want to contest the point that the caliber of SC's defense is nowhere close to the caliber of its offense?

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Actually I agree with you, but how is somebody just saying "Fresno St." as an arguing point any different than somebody just saying "Texas A&M?" Exactly. It is not. Each team has had spots during the season where they looked less than perfect. It happens. For every blemish on USC, I can quote one on Texas and vice-versa.

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I'm pretty sure that Ohio States defense is much better than USC's, and Texas still managed to beat them. They haven't seen an offense as good as USC, but USC hasn't seen a defense close to as good as Texas. I see a lot of value in Texas, 7 points is just too much. Comparing to last year's national title game, SC this year isn't as good as SC last year, especially on D. Fresno and ND showed that their D can give up points, and Texas's offense is better than both of those. I look for a high scoring game, with turnovers deciding the game. In no way do I think a 20 point USC victory is likely.

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I just want to know how the best team ever came close to losing 3 games this year? This is not 95 Nebraska. All this is about the OU game last year who completely crumbled after Mark Bradley's bonehead play trying to pick up that punt at his own 3. I think USC should be a slight favorite b/c of the coaching advantage with 4 weeks, and the experience of winning the national championship last year. I'm not buying the blowout talk though on the grounds that "USC just hasn't gotten up for those close games". The only real marquee game USC had was @ Notre Dame and it was a freaking dog fight (same goes for Texas @ Ohio State). Texas is inarguably a better team than Notre Dame but USC is in a better situational spot for this game with the time off, almost home field etc.. I think it is a close matchup. With these offenses it is still possible one team wins by 17 or more, but if you play it 100 times I think most of them will be absolutely great games.

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Styles make games. How did Notre Dame and Fresno St. move the ball against USC? With a precision passing game supplemented by enough running to provide balance. ASU also hurt them through the air. Nobody is arguing that these teams are better than Texas, but the reality may very well be that they were better equipped to exploit USC's biggest weakness--its cornerbacks.

Texas crushed its opponents this year by simply overpowering them. Look it up. They passed for 234.7 yards per game (42nd in the country) and rushed for 273.8 (3rd). Smaller teams could not match up with that offensive line, and in football when you get dominated at the line of scrimmage you get destroyed.

So many more things can go wrong for Texas in this game. Who's in worse shape if they fall behind by two touchdowns, Texas or USC? Who's more likely to turn the ball over in a bad spot? Which coaching staff do you trust to make better in-game adjustments? Let me tell you something--if USC keeps Texas in third and long for much of the game they are going to ANNIHILATE them.

Everyone says USC hasn't seen an offensive line like Texas' or a QB like Vince Young. What they forget is that the D practices against USC's offensive line--every bit as good as Texas'--daily. Oh, they also see a lot of a guy who's more athletic and faster than Young. He wears #5.

Texas backers want everyone to forget about what happened last year. "We're not Oklahoma," they say. Yeah, you're not. You're the squad that regularly took it up the ass from Bob Stoops and his boys. Fine, forget about last year. You still have to respect USC's track record. Three years ago they easily defeated an Iowa team quarterbacked by another mobile Heisman candidate, Brad Banks. And Kirk Ferentz is a MUCH better coach than Mack Brown. Look at his record in bowl games. Two years ago USC handily beat a Michigan team many considered the hottest, if not the best, in the country.

I think Pete Carroll will find a way to stymie Texas' relatively elementary offense. Once he gets out of his comfort zone Young will throw at least two picks. He did against Ohio State, and USC has come up with a TON of turnovers this year. If Ohio State was able to score 22 on Texas, how many will USC score? Remember, that Ohio State team still played Tressel ball. I don't know who this impostor is who's opened up the offense.

If Pinnacle offers an alternative line for the game I will gladly lay 14 and 21 points.

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I'm pretty sure that Ohio States defense is much better than USC's, and Texas still managed to beat them. They haven't seen an offense as good as USC, but USC hasn't seen a defense close to as good as Texas. I see a lot of value in Texas, 7 points is just too much. Comparing to last year's national title game, SC this year isn't as good as SC last year, especially on D. Fresno and ND showed that their D can give up points, and Texas's offense is better than both of those. I look for a high scoring game, with turnovers deciding the game. In no way do I think a 20 point USC victory is likely.

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If OSU's offense at that point was even halfway between then and USC's, OSU wins that game by 20 points. OSU's offense at that point was virtually non-existent, and the mistakes made by VY and others against a tough defense nearly cost them the game, except the Bucks couldn't capitalize. Now if Texas doesn't play their 2nd worst game of the season, it might be another story.

Is it safe to say that USC is the 2nd best defense that Texas will face this year?

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With these offenses it is still possible one team wins by 17 or more, but if you play it 100 times I think most of them will be absolutely great games.

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That team being USC of course.

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Styles make games. How did Notre Dame and Fresno St. move the ball against USC? With a precision passing game supplemented by enough running to provide balance. ASU also hurt them through the air. Nobody is arguing that these teams are better than Texas, but the reality may very well be that they were better equipped to exploit USC's biggest weakness--its cornerbacks.

Texas crushed its opponents this year by simply overpowering them. Look it up. They passed for 234.7 yards per game (42nd in the country) and rushed for 273.8 (3rd). Smaller teams could not match up with that offensive line, and in football when you get dominated at the line of scrimmage you get destroyed.

So many more things can go wrong for Texas in this game. Who's in worse shape if they fall behind by two touchdowns, Texas or USC? Who's more likely to turn the ball over in a bad spot? Which coaching staff do you trust to make better in-game adjustments? Let me tell you something--if USC keeps Texas in third and long for much of the game they are going to ANNIHILATE them.

Everyone says USC hasn't seen an offensive line like Texas' or a QB like Vince Young. What they forget is that the D practices against USC's offensive line--every bit as good as Texas'--daily. Oh, they also see a lot of a guy who's more athletic and faster than Young. He wears #5.

Texas backers want everyone to forget about what happened last year. "We're not Oklahoma," they say. Yeah, you're not. You're the squad that regularly took it up the ass from Bob Stoops and his boys. Fine, forget about last year. You still have to respect USC's track record. Three years ago they easily defeated an Iowa team quarterbacked by another mobile Heisman candidate, Brad Banks. And Kirk Ferentz is a MUCH better coach than Mack Brown. Look at his record in bowl games. Two years ago USC handily beat a Michigan team many considered the hottest, if not the best, in the country.

I think Pete Carroll will find a way to stymie Texas' relatively elementary offense. Once he gets out of his comfort zone Young will throw at least two picks. He did against Ohio State, and USC has come up with a TON of turnovers this year. If Ohio State was able to score 22 on Texas, how many will USC score? Remember, that Ohio State team still played Tressel ball. I don't know who this impostor is who's opened up the offense.

If Pinnacle offers an alternative line for the game I will gladly lay 14 and 21 points.

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This is a great post. This discusses matchups, instead of the silly, "Fresno State" comments. Well done. And I'm with you, I will be looking for alternative lines.

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I can almost guarantee taht USC will win by at least 20 pts. This current line of -7 is a joke. This is honestly the lock of the millenium.

As of now I have $1K on the game, and it might increase, i just dont know if really want to bet any more than that on a sports game.

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If Pinnacle offers an alternative line for the game I will gladly lay 14 and 21 points.




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Go to 5Dimes and check out action points. If your analysis is correct you can make a nice score betting this game that way.

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To everyone that is so confident of a USC blowout, how do you account for the like being two touchdowns off? I am not saying that you guys are right or wrong, but the linesmakers are not in the habit of setting lines that are this far off. I do not plan on betting either side for this game, but if forced, Texas seems like the play to me.

Also, Fresno gashed USC by running up the middle so you cannot say that only USC's pass D is to blame for the pts. they gave up in that one.

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For those doubting USC's defense, please look at each game under Pete w/ more than one week to gameplan...

3 texas starter under investigation
 

word here in austin is that 3 ut players will be arrested and charged w/ assualt and robbery. ced griffin, taylor and another player are rumored to be the players. This story is just coming out tonight, so if you really liked usc before you might want to jump on the line now.

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The line is about right in that there's been equal action on both sides. Sometimes books will take a side in a game; it doesn't seem like they have here. When the game is this big they make plenty of money off the vig alone.

Fresno State ran for 122 yards against USC (3.8 yards per rush). If you're going to beat this team you have to beat them through the air. USC is going to force Vince Young to sustain drives by completing lots of passes. Can he play mistake-free ball for four quarters? I'm betting that he can't.

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word here in austin is that 3 ut players will be arrested and charged w/ assualt and robbery. ced griffin, taylor and another player are rumored to be the players. This story is just coming out tonight, so if you really liked usc before you might want to jump on the line now.

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It has been offline at the books for a while now.

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I will add this thought...Notre Dame