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The Don 07-24-2005 03:27 AM

Situation I always use a Stop n\' Go in.....
 
This, IMO, is the best spot for the Stop N' Go. You have little FE by coming over the top here and you also don't want to get blinded off by what is, in all likelihood, a weak holding (and a weak raise). I stop and go with any 2 cards in this spot.

#Game No : 2411265329
***** Hand History for Game 2411265329 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $20 Buy-in + $2 Entry Fee Trny:14188644 Level:6 Blinds(100/200) - Saturday, July 23, 16:06:36 EDT 2005
Table Table 13943 (Real Money)
Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 3
Seat 4: Hero ( $1290 )
Seat 9: Doolio ( $3965 )
Seat 10: jduran1 ( $2745 )
Trny:14188644 Level:6
Blinds(100/200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ 2c Kc ]
Doolio raises [400].
jduran1 folds.
Hero calls [200].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3s, 8c, 6h ]
Hero is all-In [890]
Doolio folds.
Hero does not show cards.
Hero wins 1790 chips
Game #2411267915 starts.

45suited 07-24-2005 03:34 AM

Re: Situation I always use a Stop n\' Go in.....
 
Why stop-n-go? Me, I just fold, steal the next chance I get. Seems a little FPS to me. You don't seem desperate enough to have to do this.

Plus, villain is getting 2:1 to call your push and he'll still have enough chips to come back if he loses the hand.

07-24-2005 05:15 AM

Re: Situation I always use a Stop n\' Go in.....
 
i wouldnt neccesarily always stop n go here or anything like that
sure you can fold or play this hand more normally if you want
but i do like the stop n go in this situation
good play

golfcchs 07-24-2005 05:26 AM

Re: Situation I always use a Stop n\' Go in.....
 
I think this play is just okay because at this level you will get alot of calls with just ace high in my experience. Just wondering would you make this play out of the money say with 4 people left.

tjh 07-24-2005 05:46 AM

Re: Situation I always use a Stop n\' Go in.....
 
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You have little FE by coming over the top here

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That is what all the FPS players say. Prove it ! Show me hand histories where coming over the top is not effective. I want statistical proof of the effectiveness of the stop and go.
[ QUOTE ]
you also don't want to get blinded off by what is, in all likelihood, a weak holding (and a weak raise). I stop and go with any 2 cards in this spot.

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So you give this weak holding three free cards in exchange for your chance to make a fancy play. I do not see the benefit. Sure stop and go gives him a chance to fold one more time but 33% of the time they connect when they do you have a problem.

doggin 07-24-2005 07:00 AM

Re: Situation I always use a Stop n\' Go in.....
 
The best part here is your stop and go worked! But in my sngs over at PokerRoom. if 90 percent of the players had
position on me (like Dolio had on you), and had you covered
in chip count 3 to 1, they'd come after you.
With your hand here, you really have to believe K high
is good.

I like a bit better cards to play a stop and go here,
keep in mind the suited cards only increase your chance
to win by about 2 percent.
But you're thinking about FE, a good thing.

Freudian 07-24-2005 10:23 AM

Re: Situation I always use a Stop n\' Go in.....
 
[ QUOTE ]
Why stop-n-go? Me, I just fold, steal the next chance I get. Seems a little FPS to me. You don't seem desperate enough to have to do this.

[/ QUOTE ]

I think the low successrate the stop'n'go has is largely dependent on players only doing it when desperate. If you are going to do it do it before you enter desperation and you will find that villains fold rate goes up dramatically.

pokerlaw 07-24-2005 11:24 AM

Re: Situation I always use a Stop n\' Go in.....
 
I like this IF I have a read on the guy that tells me that I would have some FE. I do this a lot as well...

45suited 07-24-2005 11:27 AM

Re: Situation I always use a Stop n\' Go in.....
 
IMO, you really don't need to get this fancy at a 22. You feel like a god when it works, but nobody seems to post the rest of the times when they're caught with their pants down.

Again, you're not desperate in this spot. I don't see the need for it, but if it works for you, more power to you.

2callzU 07-24-2005 11:35 AM

Re: Situation I always use a Stop n\' Go in.....
 
[ QUOTE ]
IMO, you really don't need to get this fancy at a 22. You feel like a god when it works, but nobody seems to post the rest of the times when they're caught with their pants down.

Again, you're not desperate in this spot. I don't see the need for it, but if it works for you, more power to you.

[/ QUOTE ] 45, let me ask you this as a side question. Would you like this play if there were 4 people left and he was the small stack facing an equal chip differential between him and his opponent in the hand? Just curious. Peace.


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