Gettin tricky TPNK
 

Agressor is over aggro but def not nutty other is tag.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) converter

UTG ($390)
Hero ($416.15)
CO ($243.40)
Button ($347.60)
SB ($209.90)
BB ($858.65)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $2.
UTG calls $4, Hero calls $4, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $8</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls $4, UTG calls $4, Hero calls $4.

Flop: ($34) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets $10</font>, BB calls $10, UTG calls $10, Hero calls $10.

Turn: ($74) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets $20</font>, BB folds, UTG calls $20, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $100...</font>

Re: Gettin tricky TPNK
 

Chip spewing

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Care to elaborate? I thought it really seemed like CO was on something weak, and TAG really really looks to be on an A that wants to get to SD. My hand looks like a monster.

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Check/call flop, c/r turn on a board like this often means a monster. Your line looks fine to me. As long as you've been playing solid, they need better than 1 pair to call you. This is not chip spewing, but if you don't end it here, you're done with the hand.

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Looks good to me

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The CO weakness might mean he has a very strong hand and wants you to stay in the pot.

If you take the check-raise line, do it on the flop so you don't throw away $100. (Raising $40-$50 on the flop after the CO bet $10 would have had the same effect and given a better idea where you stand.)

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Yuck. C/c turn. Bet river. Hope to get looked up.

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I know this line looks like a monster to a normal person playing high limit NL but this is not a normal monster line at 400NL it looks like a semibluff/ complete bluff. The other key bit of information is that the original raisers bet of 20 generally means he is willing to call a big raise. Most 400NL players will call any size raise short of an all-in if they bet 1/2 pot or less. I'd think this bluff would be better if your opponent had full potted it.

I know this seems crazy but I've 25K hands of 400NL in the last two weeks and those are the observations I've made. At 1000NL this bluff has a high success rate but 400NL this raise is chip spewing.

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this is good.

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I don't understand. Do you think this is a good bluff or a good raise for value?

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bluff.

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Bad idea in this game. And why are you bluffing when you probably have the best hand and can probably get more money out of him?

Edit: This is why these hands shouldn't be posted in MHNL. It's not some snotty principle. You just won't get good advice on how to play a 2/4 hand from people who play 20/40.

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Bad idea in this game. And why are you bluffing when you probably have the best hand and can probably get more money out of him?

Edit: This is why these hands shouldn't be posted in MHNL. It's not some snotty principle. You just won't get good advice on how to play a 2/4 hand from people who play 20/40.

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I've played alot of 5/10 and 2/4 and the bluffs that are effective at 5/10+ aren't effective at 2/4. Value betting is where the money is at 2/4, i.e. this is low stakes poker.

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I don't think he's bluffing. Usually when stupid/aggressives start making [censored] bets like that, they are weak and don't know what to do. He just wants to get a cheap showdown.

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I thought I was bluffing...

So don't do stuff like this at 2/4, eh? I'll keep that in mind. At 5/10 this would've been good, maybe?

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In my experience this is a losing play at 5/10, too. They will call with any better ace. But from his weak betting, it looks like he doesn't have an ace. So play your hand weakly and hope he calls a small bet on the river with worse than top pair. They will certainly make those calls.

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Good to know, if they will be calling this with a lone A at 5/10 that leads me to another question.

I just started giving NL a try, I have about 8k hands at 2/4, and I'm quite sure I'm beating it esp since I played like a donk for lots of those. I've got about 30 buyins for 5/10, should I give that a try?

Thanks.

Craig

Re: Gettin tricky TPNK
 

It's what you feel comfortable with but in general the 400 games are considerably softer that the 5/10s. Your choice, if you've got the cash and feel like you can beat it go for it.

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The 5/10 generally plays similar to the 2/4. Only difference is that there are fewer geniune soft spots and there are a few people you should actually avoid. I would say to stay at 2/4 until you feel confident that you are no longer playing like a donk at all and then move up to 5/10.