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AA suited 12-30-2005 12:35 AM

\"The pot is big enough\" -> How big is big?
 
Thx to all the people that answered my check raise posts today, i found a leak.

How big of a pot relative to your stack size is big enough to take it down immediately, instead of trying to get more chips from opponents?

(Assume rainbow flop cause I'm protecting my hand if i see a flush draw.)

12-30-2005 12:39 AM

Re: \"The pot is big enough\" -> How big is big?
 
27.5%

Do you see why?

adanthar 12-30-2005 12:48 AM

Re: \"The pot is big enough\" -> How big is big?
 
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(Assume rainbow flop cause I'm protecting my hand if i see a flush draw.)

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If you always protect your hand on 2 suited flops regardless of the number of opponents or other flop texture, that's a bigger leak than a minor quibble over whether a pot is 'big enough' or not.

Scuba Chuck 12-30-2005 01:13 AM

Re: \"The pot is big enough\" -> How big is big?
 
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How big of a pot relative to your stack size is big enough to take it down immediately, instead of trying to get more chips from opponents?

(Assume rainbow flop cause I'm protecting my hand if i see a flush draw.)

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I would rather slowly build a nice pot that is worth taking down on a later street, and that I am not married to in case it starts to look yucky (?<- poker term?)

12-30-2005 07:29 AM

Re: \"The pot is big enough\" -> How big is big?
 
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(Assume rainbow flop cause I'm protecting my hand if i see a flush draw.)

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If you always protect your hand on 2 suited flops regardless of the number of opponents or other flop texture, that's a bigger leak than a minor quibble over whether a pot is 'big enough' or not.

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Against what number of opponents would you not be as concerned about flush draws? What other characteristics of the flop would you look at in determining how slowly you'd like to build the pot?

Snarf 12-30-2005 12:50 PM

Re: \"The pot is big enough\" -> How big is big?
 
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27.5%

Do you see why?

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I think the whole "do you see why" thing is one of the single most annoying things to me on this site.

FlyWf 12-30-2005 04:36 PM

Re: \"The pot is big enough\" -> How big is big?
 
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27.5%

Do you see why?

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I think the whole "do you see why" thing is one of the single most annoying things to me on this site.

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And it's not even close!

adanthar 12-30-2005 09:03 PM

Re: \"The pot is big enough\" -> How big is big?
 
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If you always protect your hand on 2 suited flops regardless of the number of opponents or other flop texture, that's a bigger leak than a minor quibble over whether a pot is 'big enough' or not.

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Against what number of opponents would you not be as concerned about flush draws? What other characteristics of the flop would you look at in determining how slowly you'd like to build the pot?

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This is mostly common sense...1>2>3, K72 > K98 > JT8, whatever.

A basic point: Say it's a K72 flop with a draw and you have aces. You bet and get two calls. Did the guy with the flush draw (usually there's one in that situation) call correctly? No, because you're betting the pot or more on most turns, the guy with KQ is pushing and he will have to fold. He's not stacking you or anything.

12-30-2005 09:13 PM

Re: \"The pot is big enough\" -> How big is big?
 
Yes, believing that you have the best hand, you are making a pot sized bet. You're not "slowplaying", but you're also not overbetting the pot. That makes sense. But when is "protecting" your hand as referred to in above quote a leak? When you overbet the pot? Go all in? Or is it because you don't "slowplay"? Just trying to clarify at what point the betting is a leak.

Snarf 12-30-2005 11:29 PM

Re: \"The pot is big enough\" -> How big is big?
 
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Yes, believing that you have the best hand, you are making a pot sized bet. You're not "slowplaying", but you're also not overbetting the pot. That makes sense. But when is "protecting" your hand as referred to in above quote a leak? When you overbet the pot? Go all in? Or is it because you don't "slowplay"? Just trying to clarify at what point the betting is a leak.

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I think you misunderstood the post.

Rule #1 of big pots: WIN THEM.

The OP is asking for a rule of thumb of when the pot size is "big enough" that you just push all-in right then...because you certainly have the best and the pot is 'big enough' to merit it.

How 'big' is 'big enough' ?

(probably in terms of % of stack size)


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