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11-28-2005 01:17 AM

Nut flush on a paired board facing strength (50$ NL on Party).
 
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Hero ($65.90)
UTG+1 ($42.75)
MP1 ($64.50)
MP2 ($49.95)
MP3 ($14.47)
CO ($39.15)
Button ($63.65)
SB ($46.45)
BB ($49.50)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2</font>, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, Button calls $2, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>.

Flop: ($4.75) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $2.5</font>, Button calls $2.50.

Turn: ($9.75) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $6</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $18</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $30</font>, Hero ?
River: ($69.75) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: $69.75

I have no strong read on Vilain but he seems to be neither a maniac nor a rock.
Should I fear the full house and fold or go all in ?
Thank you !

amoeba 11-28-2005 01:23 AM

Re: Nut flush on a paired board facing strength (50$ NL on Party).
 
I don't know but I don't like the way you played the hand.

on the flop, bet $4 and represent the K. he has a tough time calling without a K in his hand and is likely folding a lot of underpairs. if he has lower flush draw, you earn more on earlier streets the time the flush doesnt hit.

on the turn when you hit the flush, bet. 4th flush kills your action and another card paring kills you. sometimes he checks behind with a K.

when you checkraise, if he is decent, hes folding anything that doesnt beat AK.

so unless if you put him on lower flush, I think you are actually against a boat here if he is decent. although the possibility of 77 seems rather remote.

11-28-2005 01:28 AM

Re: Nut flush on a paired board facing strength (50$ NL on Party).
 
For the flop I always do this "Harrington's continuation bet" unless the board is coordinated but it may not always be a good idea.
So is it a fold considering the way I played the hand ?
Thank you for your comments btw.

amoeba 11-28-2005 01:37 AM

Re: Nut flush on a paired board facing strength (50$ NL on Party).
 
I don't know, its player dependent.

have you ever pulled this turn check raise at the table before?

in a vaccuum its hard to answer.

I know it sounds like a copout but with poker, thats just the way it is.

11-28-2005 01:46 AM

Re: Nut flush on a paired board facing strength (50$ NL on Party).
 
It was the first time I did that on this table but Vilain was only at the table for about half an hour and I haven't noticed anything particular about him.

amoeba 11-28-2005 01:48 AM

Re: Nut flush on a paired board facing strength (50$ NL on Party).
 
well I don't think either way is too bad.

I might push just because I think it gives me more insight on future hands against villain.

11-28-2005 01:49 AM

Re: Nut flush on a paired board facing strength (50$ NL on Party).
 
Ok thank you. I actually pushed and he showed 77 for the full house.

neuroman 11-28-2005 03:52 AM

Re: Nut flush on a paired board facing strength (50$ NL on Party).
 
[ QUOTE ]
Ok thank you. I actually pushed and he showed 77 for the full house.

[/ QUOTE ]
The thing that stinks to high heaven about this hand is the min-reraise after Hero's turn C/R. Is it -EV to fold in this spot against an unknown at $50NL? Villain seems like he really wants hero to get his chips in the middle. Most of the time we're going to see 77, Kx, or a lower flush (Th9h??) But I don't see a lower flush re-raising unless he's a known aggro, and Kx has the same problem.

scrapperdog 11-28-2005 06:08 AM

Re: Nut flush on a paired board facing strength (50$ NL on Party).
 
Well if he has a king you are good. It is doubtful he has K7 or K3. People love to limp in with medium pockets though. Heads up it is hard to give someone credit for having a hand that beat your nut flush. If a few people were in the pot and showing interest I would be a lot more apt to fold.

neuroman 12-02-2005 03:44 AM

Re: Nut flush on a paired board facing strength (50$ NL on Party).
 
Do you think that Kx is going to min-reraise after a check raise on a 3 flushed board? I guess if they were an enormous donk, maybe, but I think that most of the time a Kx is going to just call after the check raise.

12-02-2005 04:26 AM

Re: Nut flush on a paired board facing strength (50$ NL on Party).
 
I would have pushed. Only hand I'm afraid of is 77 and he might very well have a lower flush.

12-02-2005 04:45 AM

Re: Nut flush on a paired board facing strength (50$ NL on Party).
 
Hero folds.

12-02-2005 05:43 AM

Re: Nut flush on a paired board facing strength (50$ NL on Party).
 
Lead the turn next time, a cr will usually let a lot of worse hands off too easily. Or it gets checked through.

Kirkrrr 12-02-2005 05:47 AM

Re: Nut flush on a paired board facing strength (50$ NL on Party).
 
Kind of a tough one, but without a strong read I'm not laying it down. Push the turn after his re-raise. If he's got a boat, I'm paying him off. I might be able to get away from it if the stacks were a lot deeper.

Edit: btw, raising AJs UTG is a very unprofitable move in the long term. You'll miss the flop 70% of the time and just have overcards at best. Other times you'll hit a draw which you'll be OOP to play, and still miss that most of the time.

Kirk


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