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TheWorstPlayer 11-08-2005 01:28 AM

First post at 5/10 - nut flush draw on paired board
 
I just started playing 5/10 and I have been running horrifically. But I also think that some bad play has creeped into my game (or it was always there perhaps). Here was one hand that I think may have been pretty bad. Please let me know.

CO is pretty tight/passive. SB is quite LAG.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

UTG ($781.50)
MP ($1549.74)
CO ($903.80)
TWP ($1000)
SB ($1922)
BB ($2433.50)

Preflop: TWP is Button with 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $5.
2 folds, CO calls $10, TWP calls $10, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($40) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img](4 players)
SB bets $30, BB folds, CO calls $30, TWP raises to $200, SB folds, CO calls $170.

Turn: ($470) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
CO checks, TWP bets $300, CO pushes, TWP...?

Call or fold? And how bad was my flop raise?

AllIn3High 11-08-2005 01:43 AM

Re: First post at 5/10 - nut flush draw on paired board
 
I've only dipped my feet in the 1k deep waters, but

I'd raise preflop to isolate the tight passive limper and hopefuly shut out the blinds, you don't want other aggressive players in the pot when you're hitting on the weak.

Flop raise looks fine.

Turn, it's always nasty when tight passives wake up like this but i still think you have to call here, it could easily be a weaker flush or kings with a good kicker. I don't know what kind of hand a TP would limp here that's made a full house.

Hope it worked out.

edge 11-08-2005 02:32 AM

Re: First post at 5/10 - nut flush draw on paired board
 
I think there's a decent chance he's on the flush and I call. If I'm wrong, I spike the J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] and win anyway [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

Allinlife 11-08-2005 02:38 AM

Re: First post at 5/10 - nut flush draw on paired board
 
raise pre
flop raise too big
fold turn

Go_Blue88 11-08-2005 02:56 AM

Re: First post at 5/10 - nut flush draw on paired board
 
What hand would you limp on the button with that holds a king?

I don't like semi-bluffing on a paired flop in an unraised pot.

mgsimpleton 11-08-2005 03:31 AM

Re: First post at 5/10 - nut flush draw on paired board
 
what's up with your flop raise? listen to allinlife he knows the deal. unfortunately due to your weird flop raise you're almost committed but CO has KQ. maybe he has KT but i think he usually has KQ. fold. also dont be so pot committed next time. and you know how flushes sometimes suck on paired boards? yeah this is one of those boards.

fuzzbox 11-08-2005 06:14 AM

Re: First post at 5/10 - nut flush draw on paired board
 
Why raise the flop here ?
One of these bozos almost certainly has a K, and he aint folding. Thus there is no point in semi-bluffing in this spot (I dont think there is in any case).

As it stands, CO probably doesnt have a flush, so he has a full house, thus you should probably fold, if you can find the courage. I find that I sometimes think "surely THIS time he will be bluffing". But usually Im wrong.

punter11235 11-08-2005 06:24 AM

Re: First post at 5/10 - nut flush draw on paired board
 
I agree with all three.
I cant imagine TWP raising with crap like A4s.. I certainly would though.

Best wishes

TheWorstPlayer 11-08-2005 09:18 AM

Re: First post at 5/10 - nut flush draw on paired board
 
I called. He had K6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. I still played the hand like [censored], though. Thanks.

AZK 11-08-2005 10:10 AM

Re: First post at 5/10 - nut flush draw on paired board
 
hate flop...


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