88 on the button
 

Potty 2/4

At work so no hand history. SB~25/12-ish over a small sample.

2 limpers to me i raise 8h8s on the button. SB calls, BB calls, limpers call.

5 to the flop:

8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]10 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

EP limper bets, i raise, SB 3bets, limpers fold, i cap. sb calls.

Turn: 2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

sb bets, i call.

River: 7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

sb bets, i raise intending to fold to a 3 bet.

Re: 88 on the button
 

I don't know if I'd fold to a 3-bet on the river.

I'd say it's at least a call.

Re: 88 on the button
 

what is sb 3betting that we beat by the river?

Re: 88 on the button
 

I think this river strategy ties in nicely with your loc.

Re: 88 on the button
 

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tis the season.

Re: 88 on the button
 

why raise the river and not the turn?

if were ahead, raising the turn charges draws, but then again we have to call a 3-bet because we most likely have outs if were behind, id probly end up calling a 3-bet here too, but i dont really see what dude could be 3-betting that we beat on the river

i dont know, id raise the turn, but id like to hear your reasoning behind waiting till the river, maybe you think he folds a king on the turn?

Re: 88 on the button
 

sorry...but how do you fold with all the money in the pot? wouldn't many players with those stats play top two this way? even 8/10 or k/8 i could see...

Re: 88 on the button
 

where did you get this river play?? just call man. so he just calls with Q-hi flush and you lose 2 bets, or he 3 bets A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] or KT and you fold a winner.

Re: 88 on the button
 

To actually add some content, is this a raise for fold equity or for value?

If for value, what worse hands are calling? I see next to nothing that is played this way.

If for fold equity, what hands are folding that beat you? A small flush? Set of Kings? Maybe the latter, maybe, but then I also don't know how likely Kings are. If he just had a flush draw or draw and a pair I'd be shocked if he calls a river raise. So just call.

Er, also a set of tens, maybe somewhat more likely, but I'd be surprised if he folds those often enough, or that he has them often enough.

Re: 88 on the button
 

You would have to be 94% sure you were beaten to fold on the river.

I raise the turn.