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jjacky 11-02-2005 07:45 PM

15/30 questionable turn play
 
villain is new to the table. no reads.

Party Poker 15.00/30.00 Hold'em <font color="#0000FF">(6 handed)</font> link

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, CO calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, BB calls, CO calls.

Flop: (6.67 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, CO checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, CO folds.

Turn: (4.33 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: (4.33 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero calls.


how do you like the turn check?

11-02-2005 07:57 PM

Re: 15/30 questionable turn play
 
If i check this turn I'm folding the river. If I'm calling the river, I'm betting this turn. Very op dependant and I would bet or check/give up 50/50 of the time probably

jjacky 11-02-2005 08:01 PM

Re: 15/30 questionable turn play
 
[ QUOTE ]
If i check this turn I'm folding the river. If I'm calling the river, I'm betting this turn. Very op dependant and I would bet or check/give up 50/50 of the time probably

[/ QUOTE ]

why that? you either induce a bluff and fold or try for a free showdown and call anyway if he bets?

Derek123 11-02-2005 08:09 PM

Re: 15/30 questionable turn play
 
A6-A3 and KQ are about the only hands you beat here. I think this is a fold on the river.

jjacky 11-02-2005 10:05 PM

Re: 15/30 questionable turn play
 
do you think his range is that narrow?

*edit*
ok, it's hard to imagine any other hand that we can beat indeed.

so you like the check behind on the turn?

ihardlyknowher 11-03-2005 03:41 AM

Re: 15/30 questionable turn play
 
I would bet this turn and check behind on the river to avoid giving a random [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] a free card. If he check-raises the turn, it is an easy fold.

MNpoker 11-03-2005 02:59 PM

Re: 15/30 questionable turn play
 
Yes I like the the turn check.

On this hand fold the river. You can't beat any card 7 through J.

You shot your bullet on the flop, it missed. Run!!

11-03-2005 03:42 PM

Re: 15/30 questionable turn play
 
bet the turn, fold to a c'r, check the river.

elindauer 11-03-2005 06:42 PM

Re: 15/30 questionable turn play
 
Forget the turn... why did you pay off the river? There are 19 individual cards that beat you now, not to mention all hands suited in diamonds. If he called on a flush draw, it's most likely an ace high flush draw, right? Now he has to have this bare ace, and have missed the board, and bluff it into you. How likely is that?

The board is terrible for your hand. Take your free card and give up when you miss.

good luck.
eric

jjacky 11-03-2005 07:34 PM

Re: 15/30 questionable turn play
 
thanks for all the answers.

my main interest was the turn because we had a discussion about it in another forum.
the board is absolutely terrible indeed. you convinced me that a fold is in order.


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