Straight Flush draw after flop.. Guy got mad at me for my play.
 

Last night I'm playing in a tourney. This guy was bullying around the whole table. I had T1700 chips left, and the avg stack was about 3500. Im the BB. SB (bully) raises to 400. I have 78d, so I call. Flop 5d6dAc. Guy bets 400, and I go all in (which i think is the right move with all the outs and I'm really shortstacked). He calls w/ A5. Turn is a blank and the river is a 9 for my straight. The guy wouldn't stop talking about how bad my play was. What do you think? I had a boatload of outs and 2 draws to get it.

Re: Straight Flush draw after flop.. Guy got mad at me for my play.
 

I like the play

Re: Straight Flush draw after flop.. Guy got mad at me for my play.
 

flop play is fine. Preflop, what were the blinds? If you were facing more than a minraise, this is probably a fold.

Re: Straight Flush draw after flop.. Guy got mad at me for my play.
 

Normally I would fold the 78d but the bully kept buying the pots and showing K4 and stuff. The blinds were 100/200 25ante.

Re: Straight Flush draw after flop.. Guy got mad at me for my play.
 

flop was fine, preflop 78s is bullyable and you should fold to any raise (except for a minraise with tons of callers).

Re: Straight Flush draw after flop.. Guy got mad at me for my play.
 

You might not know this, but not only was your flop play right, you had every reason to think that you were ahead.

In the actual hand, he was only a 51-53% favorite (depending on whether or not he had the Ad). If he had something like AdKc, you'd be a 53% favorite.

In summary, you made a fine play, and he is probably a fish. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Edit: But yes, folding preflop was probably the correct play.

Re: Straight Flush draw after flop.. Guy got mad at me for my play.
 

Your play was fine. You have to at least occassionally take a stand against a bully.

Re: Straight Flush draw after flop.. Guy got mad at me for my play.
 

You were better than even to hit your straight or flush. 16 outs with 2 to go (0.75:1). So of course your play was correct.

But trying to explain that to most people is a waste of time.

Re: Straight Flush draw after flop.. Guy got mad at me for my play.
 

No, no no no no.

Reraising all-in is a possibility, calling (at least) is mandatory.

I agree this guy is a fish.

Re: Straight Flush draw after flop.. Guy got mad at me for my play.
 

If you are going to play this against a bully, I would push preflop. If you call off almost 1/4 of your stack and then miss the flop, you're going to have to fold and you will be pretty crippled. If you push preflop though, there is a good chance he will fold, and if he doesn't then you have a decent shot at doubling up.

But since you called the raise preflop, you have to push on the flop.

Re: Straight Flush draw after flop.. Guy got mad at me for my play.
 

Preflop: call is a little marginal from the big blind for roughly a quarter of your stack.

(But hey marginal is how I usually live my life [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img])

Postflop: Crazy Outs + Table Bully = Chance to double up at his expense.

I like the move Postflop-just turn the chat off next time and don't let it get to ya.

Did ya win?

Re: Straight Flush draw after flop.. Guy got mad at me for my play.
 

Of course it is good play, and of course he won't stop talking about how bad it was - he is a bully and want to discourage the others at the table from calling his bets in the future. Intimidating works on some.

Re: Straight Flush draw after flop.. Guy got mad at me for my play.
 

The play is fine. If he's a bully it's likely he has nothing and will fold to your all in, and even if he call it you still have a buttload of outs to beat whatever he's holding). The fact you are short stacked a little makes it even more the correct play.

Apparently this guy has never heard of a semi-bluff. People just get mad when they lose.

In last nights 2+0 on PP I had AA and some guy with abotu half my chips apparently just wanted to go so he went all in with his 34o, to which I of course called. Flop is 7 3 3, needless to say we both found it pretty hysterical. Lost like half my stack to a guy who was TRYING to lose the hand, such is poker.

Re: Straight Flush draw after flop.. Guy got mad at me for my play.
 

Well gee...

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1035496
pokenum -h as 5h - 7d 8d -- 5d 6d ac
Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing Ac 6d 5d
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
As 5h 507 51.21 483 48.79 0 0.00 0.512
8d 7d 483 48.79 507 51.21 0 0.00 0.488

Of course, if you just give him credit for Ax

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1035497
pokenum -h as 3h - 7d 8d -- 5d 6d ac
Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing Ac 6d 5d
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
As 3h 433 43.74 557 56.26 0 0.00 0.437
8d 7d 557 56.26 433 43.74 0 0.00 0.563

Or big cards

Result

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1035498
pokenum -h ks qh - 7d 8d -- 5d 6d ac
Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing Ac 6d 5d
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ks Qh 291 29.39 690 69.70 9 0.91 0.298
8d 7d 690 69.70 291 29.39 9 0.91 0.702

Your OESF is a massive favorite over his range of raising hands, methinks. Combine this with your relatively short stack, easy play.

Ignore the idiots, focus on making the right plays yourself. You did so here...

Re: Straight Flush draw after flop.. Guy got mad at me for my play.
 

shortstacked, i like it. nh

Re: Straight Flush draw after flop.. Guy got mad at me for my play.
 

nice move, u bullied the bully, I'm sure everyone at the table was happy when u beat him