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Jay36489 02-02-2005 10:35 PM

NL $50, flopped braodway, turn brings flush
 
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) converter

MP1 ($175)
MP2 ($30.63)
MP3 ($71.75)
CO ($56.7)
Hero ($48.5)
SB ($67.35)
BB ($69.35)
UTG ($49)
UTG+1 ($76.4)
UTG+2 ($29)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.5.
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP1 calls $1, MP2 calls $1, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $3</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls $2, MP1 calls $2, MP2 calls $2.

Flop: ($12.50) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $1</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises to $4</font>, MP2 calls $4, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $10</font>, BB calls $9, MP1 calls $6, MP2 calls $6.

Turn: ($52.50) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB pushes for ~$50, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, Hero?....

Now I think I should have raised this flop more, but I wonder about this turn. I just sat down and have some numbers that say he is a lag, but I don't have any other reads. Do I call here for my last $35? Him leading with a minimum then called a reraise screamed flush draw.

tbach24 02-02-2005 10:37 PM

Re: NL $50, flopped braodway, turn brings flush
 
Make it 20 on the flop

mcb 02-02-2005 10:40 PM

Re: NL $50, flopped braodway, turn brings flush
 
I think this is an pretty easy fold. Raise $15 or more on the flop with the hope that a flush draw folds.

tbach24 02-02-2005 10:53 PM

Re: NL $50, flopped braodway, turn brings flush
 
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I think this is an pretty easy fold. Raise $15 or more on the flop with the hope that a flush draw folds.

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No. When you give flush draws improper odds to call and are able to give up your hand when the flush comes through, then you are rooting for a call.

mcb 02-02-2005 10:55 PM

Re: NL $50, flopped braodway, turn brings flush
 
Good point, you got me [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] . In this case however, it would be good for the flush draw to fold [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Jay36489 02-02-2005 10:57 PM

Re: NL $50, flopped braodway, turn brings flush
 
Does anyone think a push is in order on the flop? With all those high cards two pair is possible (to redraw to a boat) and the obvious flush draw. And its agreed this turn is a fold?

tbach24 02-02-2005 11:00 PM

Re: NL $50, flopped braodway, turn brings flush
 
Only push if you think these guys will not be thrown away from these hands. Just be willing to give it up if a heart or paired board comes.

Leo Bello 02-02-2005 11:24 PM

Re: NL $50, flopped braodway, turn brings flush
 
Actually a push makes things easier to the ones calling. They just have one decision to make. If u think u can outplay them, betting and seeing the next card may be the best in here. A push would work only if u think they will release their hands (drawS).

TheWorstPlayer 02-02-2005 11:44 PM

Re: NL $50, flopped braodway, turn brings flush
 
I think it's a push. You have to raise to at least $20 on the flop because there is already a large pot and three people in. But if you get called, you only have $20 left on the turn with a $50 pot. You might as well get it all in with the best on the flop. Also, the push looks kinda weak to some people so you might easily be called by two pair, set, etc.

AEKDBet 02-03-2005 12:32 AM

Re: NL $50, flopped braodway, turn brings flush
 
Hi Jay,
I believe in raising more with AK here preflop. With only 2 more dollars to call they aren't going anywhere.

After the flush card comes and he moves in I call here. He may have a small flush, but it looks more like a set or two pair.


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