Can I fold HU w/ 2nd pair in 16bet pot?
 

I didn't have any read on CO other than him not being maniacal or completely bad.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (7 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO caps</font>, Hero calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (13 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, MP2 calls, CO calls.

Turn: (11 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP2 folds, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, Hero calls.

River: (15 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, Hero doesn't see how he wins.

Re: Can I fold HU w/ 2nd pair in 16bet pot?
 

Pot is big. Call.

Re: Can I fold HU w/ 2nd pair in 16bet pot?
 

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I didn't have any read on CO other than him not being maniacal or completely bad.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (7 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO caps</font>, Hero calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (13 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, MP2 calls, CO calls.

Turn: (11 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP2 folds, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, Hero calls.

River: (15 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, Hero doesn't see how he wins.

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No. You only have to win this 1 time in 15 to show a profit. Call, expecting to lose, and smile the 1 time in 15 when you win. It's a crying call, but the pot is large.

Re: Can I fold HU w/ 2nd pair in 16bet pot?
 

I don't like your flop 3-bet or the turn bet.

Call the river.

Re: Can I fold HU w/ 2nd pair in 16bet pot?
 

You'll meet players who will overplay middle pocket pairs on a board like this. Folding is no good.

Re: Can I fold HU w/ 2nd pair in 16bet pot?
 

You should call the river but sup with the 3-bet flop and bet turn?

Re: Can I fold HU w/ 2nd pair in 16bet pot?
 

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I don't like the turn bet.

Call the river.

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I don't like the turn bet.

Call the river.

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These flop 3-bets are overated 3-way. You want to be doing it when you can pick up some turn fold equity, when you're overcards probably still have play, or when you took the lead preflop.

4-way cap this preflop everytime, but 3-way you're already thin. On a paired board against a guy who went that crazy preflop, I think you're better waiting to get the bet in later.

Nothing's worse than cowing your opponents when you're drawing so they pay off the minimum when you hit.

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Hero doesn't see how he wins.

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Hero doesn't see why he three-bet the flop and then bet the turn.

Re: Can I fold HU w/ 2nd pair in 16bet pot?
 

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Hero doesn't see how he wins.

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If this is a good player, he won with nothing less than AK, but given the opponent slowing on the flop and raising the turn, KK is much more likely.

I'm guessing nobody likes folding the turn?

-ropey