Book: Rare Earth: Why Complex Life is Uncommon in the Universe
 

In this thread, jason_t mentioned the book Rare Earth: Why Complex Life is Uncommon in the Universe, by Peter Ward and Donald Brownlee. I decided to read this book and post a review and critique of the "Rare Earth Hypothesis".

Anyone with an interest in the history of our planet should enjoy reading this book, even if one does not agree with the conclusions. Note that while at least one other author has taken the Rare Earth Hypothesis and turned it into an argument in favor of intelligent design, there is no mention of this in Rare Earth. There is, however, an article for sale on Amazon.com suggesting that "the authors were influenced by an individual with a strong 'Earth-is-unique' religious views". I have chosen not to read this article before forming my own opinion. In any case, this is not the right way to go about refuting a hypothesis. It is better to attack the authors' arguments, rather than their motivations for making those arguments.

No matter how rare the conditions allowing complex life prove to be, this alone can never be an argument in favor of intelligent design. Those conditions have to exist for anyone to actually notice. That we notice them here on Earth tells us nothing beyond the fact that those conditions are possible.

So that I don't have to do it all at once, I plan on making additional posts to this thread responding to some of the "Rare Earth Factors" - conditions the authors suggest are both rare and necessary for complex multi-cellular life to form. My general opinion is that while some of these concerns are valid, many of the factors may be neither as rare nor as necessary as the authors imply.

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The Drake Equation

Ward and Brownlee provide an alternative version of the Drake Equation, modified to estimate the number of planets in this galaxy currently inhabited by complex multi-cellular (metazoan) life.

Their modified equation is as follows:

"N* x fp x fpm x ne x ng x fi x fc x fl x fm x fj x fme = N

where:

N* = stars in the Milky Way galaxy
fp = fraction of stars with planets
fpm = fraction of metal-rich planets
ne = planets in a star's habitable zone
ng = stars in a galactic habitable zone
fi = fraction of habitable planets where life does arise
fc = fraction of planets where complex metazoans arize
fl = percentage of a lifetime of a planet that is marked by the presence of complex metazoans
fm = fraction of planets with a large moon
fj = fraction of solar systems with Jupiter-sized planets
fme = fraction of planets with a critically low number of mass extinction events"

First of all, this equation contains numerous errors and redundancies in its terms. For example, "stars in a galactic habitable zone" should be a fraction, and it should be something like "fraction of those planets orbiting stars in a galactic habitable zone". Each term needs to reference all of the terms before it in some way, like the terms given in the original Drake Equation. Even after these errors are corrected, there is still an additional logical error.

The authors state that "as any term in such an equation approaches zero, so too does the final product." But this is only valid as far as each condition specified is absolutely necessary for complex life. In reality, each term should be modified by the chance that complex life can form without that feature. For example, "fm = fraction of planets with a large moon" should be replaced by something like:

(fm + fm' x (1 - fm))

where fm' = the fraction of planets without a large moon that can develop complex metazoans. Since fm and fm' must always be between zero and one, this term can never be less than fm' even if fm approaches zero.

The equation with each term modified in this way now takes into account the chance that the authors' proposed requirements for complex life are not absolute. Now it is more than a simple matter of proving that one of the terms approaches zero in order to claim that complex life is rare.

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No matter how rare the conditions allowing complex life prove to be, this alone can never be an argument in favor of intelligent design. Those conditions have to exist for anyone to actually notice. That we notice them here on Earth tells us nothing beyond the fact that those conditions are possible.


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This is the point that IDers either fail to acknowledge or cannot comprehend.

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No matter how rare the conditions allowing complex life prove to be, this alone can never be an argument in favor of intelligent design. Those conditions have to exist for anyone to actually notice. That we notice them here on Earth tells us nothing beyond the fact that those conditions are possible.

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That'll be a nice challenge to take on, enjoy. You've summed up the hurdle right here though. A meteorite came thru my roof, smashed thru the light bulb, bouced off a door hinge, went thru the oak bookcase, penetrated a book and stopped just touching the words "lucky me". If any of 1,000's of conditions it had encountered were slightly different, it would have stopped somewhere else, if it even hit earth. Thicker oak, lower hinge, bigger light bulb, cooler day, etc. How could that ever prove 'purpose' or 'intent'? Iow, it has to stop somewhere.

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That'll be a nice challenge to take on, enjoy.

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Actually I have no intention of taking it on any further in this thread.

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Correct.
The last point is the part I am failing ro acknowledge or cannot comprehend.

"That we notice them here on Earth tells us nothing beyond the fact that those conditions are possible."

I think the conditions present on Earth can tell us a lot more than just that they're possible. This seems like a big cop out to me.

by looking at the finished product we can gather certain things about it. This is the same for all products that have been intelligently designed. You wouldn't accept that a car just fell together, you know that it was designed. Well, the the odds against a car forming are far higher than intelligent life forming from dumb matter. Yet, you insist that these coincidences are just a fluke. This is a point that you can't seem to comprehend or fail to acknowledge.

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May I recommend you read The Blind Watchmaker? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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I'll take a look.

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may I recomend the case for a creator by Lee Strobel. I know at least one person on this forum doesn't think much of the author but that's not where the interesting content is. It gives good coverage of the main arguments for Intelligent Design through a series of interviews with the leaders in the field.

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One example... Your talking about a flying rock, what if it were 1,000,000,000 rocks that hit 1,000,000,000 different houses in order and landed on the words that rewrote a shakespeare classic? Is it the same, well those 1,000,000,000 rocks had to land somewhere...
I think there has to be a limit to this kind of thinking, will no amount of coincidences that point towards a creator ever make you think "maybe it's not a mistake"??

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No. There is no such thing as coincidence.

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No. There is no such thing as coincidence.

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What do you mean by this?

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One example... Your talking about a flying rock, what if it were 1,000,000,000 rocks that hit 1,000,000,000 different houses in order and landed on the words that rewrote a shakespeare classic? Is it the same, well those 1,000,000,000 rocks had to land somewhere...
I think there has to be a limit to this kind of thinking, will no amount of coincidences that point towards a creator ever make you think "maybe it's not a mistake"??

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You are amazing.. Here you have the retort to you own arguments. If it was that many (rocks and houses) , it is likely than one would it the words "luckyme". I don't know why, from one word, you jumped, in your argument, to the complete words of Shakespeare. LOL

Regarding the primordial soup. It is very likely. The basics of life (in molecular terms) are relatively simple (in fact it's one of the beauty of it, imo). Also, there is no reason to believe that other self-replicationg mechanism could not exists, or be possible, on a completely different basis of life as we know it.

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Let me explain something to you godboy. Your arguments are correct. Thje philosophers who are trying to refute you are incorrect. You are wrong in your conclusions but not for the reasons these philosphers talk about. Rather it is because of the fact that the miraxculous things you see around you are NOT nearly as unlikely or coincidental as they appear to the scientifically uneducated. A simple example is the beauty of bubbles or snowflakes or mountains. Same goes for your eclipse example.

Believe me if you were arguing with physicists or molecular biologists rather than philosphers, you would no longer feel that your ideas are on firm ground.

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No. There is no such thing as coincidence.

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What do you mean by this?

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Everything that has happened had to happen that specific way. There is no way it could be otherwise, at least as far as our understanding of time and causality are concerned. To say that something that has happened was a coincidence isn't true since there is no way it could be otherwise. The supposed coincidence is just humans adding meaning to what was just another product of causality.

In short, any meaningful connections made between events are creations of the mind of man. Does a plant experience coincidence?

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the only valid point I can see is:
"at least as far as our understanding of time and causality are concerned."

You are admitting that you have no clue about much at all.
While at the same time making claims like there's no other possible way the universe could be, having no possible way of proving it.
You may as well be saying Everything that has happened has happened that way. But, what would be the point of saying that?

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What do have to say about the physicists or molecular biologists in support of the intelligent design theory?

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One example... Your talking about a flying rock, what if it were 1,000,000,000 rocks that hit 1,000,000,000 different houses in order and landed on the words that rewrote a shakespeare classic? Is it the same, well those 1,000,000,000 rocks had to land somewhere...
I think there has to be a limit to this kind of thinking, will no amount of coincidences that point towards a creator ever make you think "maybe it's not a mistake"??

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The laws of physics and the properties of matter select for certain structures. There is order in the seeming randomness, which is not the case with monkeys, typewriters and Shakespeare. This is the fundamental flaw in this analogy.

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No matter how rare the conditions allowing complex life prove to be, this alone can never be an argument in favor of intelligent design. Those conditions have to exist for anyone to actually notice. That we notice them here on Earth tells us nothing beyond the fact that those conditions are possible.


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This is the point that IDers either fail to acknowledge or cannot comprehend.

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You can use the facts that they exist, and the rarity to assign a probability.

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it is because of the fact that the miraxculous things you see around you are NOT nearly as unlikely or coincidental as they appear to the scientifically uneducated. A simple example is the beauty of bubbles or snowflakes or mountains. Same goes for your eclipse example.


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David, you really can do better than this.

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You wouldn't accept that a car just fell together, you know that it was designed.

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No, but I can pretty easily accept that a tree did. Trees seem to come about in the absence of a creator.

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Let me explain something to you godboy. Your arguments are correct. Thje philosophers who are trying to refute you are incorrect. You are wrong in your conclusions but not for the reasons these philosphers talk about. Rather it is because of the fact that the miraxculous things you see around you are NOT nearly as unlikely or coincidental as they appear to the scientifically uneducated. A simple example is the beauty of bubbles or snowflakes or mountains. Same goes for your eclipse example.

Believe me if you were arguing with physicists or molecular biologists rather than philosphers, you would no longer feel that your ideas are on firm ground.

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This is one my favorite posts of yours.

Of course, it's a fact that all life today evolved from single cells a long time ago. Only those ignorant of biology say otherwise. The evidence is simply overwhelming and irrefutable.

But you have to admit that currently, abiogenesis (random molecules -> first cell) looks like a long shot. There are several stages in this process that we can't find a plausible mechanism for. Of course the dots will be joined eventually (just look at the history of biology), but until then we must concede that it does appear highly improbable. The theists still get to put their "God of the Gaps" in there for now.

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But you have to admit that currently, abiogenesis (random molecules -> first cell) looks like a long shot. There are several stages in this process that we can't find a plausible mechanism for. Of course the dots will be joined eventually (just look at the history of biology), but until then we must concede that it does appear highly improbable.

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Not at all. Even the authors of Rare Earth admit that this process occurred very quickly on Earth - nearly the exact instant that life became possible, on a geologic timescale. There is a good chance that independently evolved microbial life is present on several other bodies in our own solar system.

Note that anyone using the Rare Earth hypothesis to argue for intelligent design is arguing for a flavor of ID where some creator simply set the initital conditions of our solar system (or the entire universe) in such a way that we would evolve.

Some have argued that even if we accept the Big Bang theory, we have to believe it was caused by an intelligent creator, since had the physical constants of our universe varied by the slightest amount, life would not be possible. But again this proves nothing. For example, our (finite) universe could be part of an infinite meta-universe where universes are randomly created with every possible set of initial conditions. And, of course, only the ones with perfect physical constants get noticed.

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"What do have to say about the physicists or molecular biologists in support of the intelligent design theory?"

Of those who have Nobel Prize type qualifications few, if any believe in ID. And those who do, believe it for different reasons than your flawed probabilistic ones.

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Bad Jupiters, no Jupiters?

Are planets like Jupiter rare or common? Are they necessary for complex life to evolve in a system, yet more likely to be detrimental than helpful?

The authors argue that a large Jupiter-like planet in a stable, fairly distant, circular orbit is necessary for complex life to develop on one of the inner planets of a system. Such a planet would sweep the inner solar system leaving it relatively clean of many of the comets and asteroids which could sterilize the planet by collision. I am going to argue that Jupiter sized planets in orbits exactly where the are needed may be common. But it is also possible that without a Jupiter, it would simply take longer for the early bombardment of a new planet to slow down enough so that life can develop. Right now this is just speculation but perhaps it could be tested with computer simulation. In any case it does allow for the possibility that nearby Jupiter sized planets are not an absolute necessity for complex life.

Ward and Brownlee cite the fact that, so far, all programs to detect extra-solar planets have found only Jupiter sized planets in either very close or very elliptical orbits around their star. These so called "bad Jupiters" should interfere with any planets in a star's habitable zone enough to prevent the possibility of complex life forming there. But the reason these are the only extra-solar planets we detect, is that they are the only kinds we could detect at the time Rare Earth was written. We see these bad Jupiters in about 5% of the nearby star systems, while in the remaining 95% we detect nothing. The authors admit it is quite possible that many of the remaining 95% have planetary systems similar to our own, since we cannot detect those at the distances of nearby stars.

Finally, theories of planet formation suggest that Jupiter like planets will form exactly where they are needed to support life on the inner planets: just outside the star's habitable zone, and the ones that are in closer or more elliptical orbits are those that migrate there by chance gravitational interactions.

"In disks as massive as the minimum-mass disk for the Solar system, gas giants can form only slightly outside the “ice boundary” at a few AU."

"We also examine the dynamical evolution of protoplanets by considering the effect of orbital migration of giant planets due to their tidal interactions with the gas disks, after they have opened up gaps in the disks. The effect of migration is to sharpen the boundaries and to enhance the contrast of the planet desert. It also clarifies the separation between the three populations of rocky, gas-giant, and ice-giant planets."

- Towards a Deterministic Model of Planetary Formation I: a Desert in the Mass and Semi Major Axis Distributions of Extra Solar Planets - S. Ida and D. N. C. Lin

This suggests that "good Jupiters" might not be so rare after all.