Flopped set, and sandwiched
 

The fact that there was a short stack still to act factored into my decision making.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) converter

MP2 (t2233)
MP3 (t499)
CO (t760)
Button (t608)
SB (t160)
BB (t510)
UTG (t1565)
Hero (t805)
MP1 (t860)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
BB calls t30, UTG calls t30, Hero calls t30, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, SB checks.

Flop: (t150) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets t120</font>, Hero . . .

Re: Flopped set, and sandwiched
 

Min raises.
You don't want the flush draws to call. You want top pair to call. the blinds are more likely to have a draw that could bust you than a made hand that's drawing dead. If you flat call, you're giving a flush or straight draw good odds to call given the multiway action.

With a minraise, you're not revealing your truth strength. You could have top pair with a middle kicker raising for info or you could be using your position to buy a free flush card.

In any case, you probably won't get more money out of the blinds except in situations where you want them to fold. You're target here is UTG. If he was semibluffing a flush draw or straight draw, you've forced him to pay more for his draw. If he has AQ or two pair, he'll probably reraise and you'll likely take his whole stack. If he has Q2 and folds, then that's just tough luck. You might have gotten more money out of him, but you also might have lost your stack. There's too many scare cards out there for you to flat call here, and you're getting too little value for that risk.

Re: Flopped set, and sandwiched
 

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Min raises.
You don't want the flush draws to call. You want top pair to call. the blinds are more likely to have a draw that could bust you than a made hand that's drawing dead. If you flat call, you're giving a flush or straight draw good odds to call given the multiway action.

With a minraise, you're not revealing your truth strength. You could have top pair with a middle kicker raising for info or you could be using your position to buy a free flush card.

In any case, you probably won't get more money out of the blinds except in situations where you want them to fold. You're target here is UTG. If he was semibluffing a flush draw or straight draw, you've forced him to pay more for his draw. If he has AQ or two pair, he'll probably reraise and you'll likely take his whole stack. If he has Q2 and folds, then that's just tough luck. You might have gotten more money out of him, but you also might have lost your stack. There's too many scare cards out there for you to flat call here, and you're getting too little value for that risk.

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I think min raising isn't really enough to make the guy fold, I'd play it safe and bet the pot.

Re: Flopped set, and sandwiched
 

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I think min raising isn't really enough to make the guy fold, I'd play it safe and bet the pot.

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He wants the "guy" to call, the one with the prob toppair..
He wants the flush draws to fold..

Re: Flopped set, and sandwiched
 

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I think min raising isn't really enough to make the guy fold, I'd play it safe and bet the pot.

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He wants the "guy" to call, the one with the prob toppair..
He wants the flush draws to fold..

[/ QUOTE ]Wow I'm going blank right now but I coulda swore a min raise didn't have to be double the bet, if it doesnt have to be double the bet than that is giving the flush odds to call.

Re: Flopped set, and sandwiched
 

The converter has been screwy, but I only remember there being three of us left. I wanted to get all of my chips in on the flop, but I didn't want to close out the small stack yet to act, because I felt he would go all-in with any part of the flop. Does this change any opinions?

Re: Flopped set, and sandwiched
 

What is the probability that either two victims/villains have a flush draw? 1:15 (I don't know, I'm making that up).

I think we're choosing betweeen two general choices here.

A Smooth Call, and putting all/most of our chips in on the turn

B Reraise to 300 - hoping to get one chaser

I'd be more interested in what people choose here, A or B?

Re: Flopped set, and sandwiched
 

Raising here seems silly to me. If the utg guy is betting the flush draw, and he bets the turn when he hits he can have my chips. If the short stack flopped a flush draw hes clearly not going anywhere anyways. Smooth call the flop and push the turn when the guy with the queen come out firing. (If the BB gets involved on the flop my answer changes a little).

Re: Flopped set, and sandwiched
 

Assuming that the SB (the short stack) is in this pot, and the BB is not, then this is an easy smooth call.

UTG is screaming top pair with his pot-sized bet. Sure he could be on the flush draw, but more likely than not, he's defending against a flush draw.

SB is on life support, so you are hoping that he realizes he's getting 2:1 on his money and pushes or calls if he caught a piece of it (or has a good draw).

The turn is the perfect opportunity to create a side pot between you and UTG.

Re: Flopped set, and sandwiched
 

I chose A (smooth call) because I wanted the small stack to go all-in behind. That would allow me to close the betting with an all-in. What do you think of this play?