Collection of \"How do i play AAxx threads\" 4 newbs like me
 

All posts have been taken from the archives.

Playing/Reading Aces Preflop Omaha Hi
http://archiveserver.twoplustwo.com/show...=148#Post882821

Playing Aces after the flop
http://archiveserver.twoplustwo.com/show...=148#Post879917

Calling against Obvious Aces
http://archiveserver.twoplustwo.com/show...=149#Post871974

How to play against aces ?
http://archiveserver.twoplustwo.com/...2&page=147

Single-suited Aces: How would you play this?
http://archiveserver.twoplustwo.com/...8&page=141

Busting aces goes wrong, debatable flop and turn plays
http://archiveserver.twoplustwo.com/show...=141#Post942879


playing junky aces to reraise
http://archiveserver.twoplustwo.com/show...=139#Post947899

AAxx preflop
http://archiveserver.twoplustwo.com/...8&page=125

Rolf's PLO article
http://archiveserver.twoplustwo.com/...0&page=104

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Cool, thanks for collecting these.

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Sweet! Thanks.

If in your time in the archives you find any good stuff on preflop hand selection, position or any other frequently discussed topics it'd be awesome if you posted them!

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And perhaps you could sticky this as well, or maybe link it in the FAQ?

Awesome job OP

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And perhaps you could sticky this as well, or maybe link it in the FAQ?

Awesome job OP

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I added it to the FAQ.

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Well done, i am gonna read em since AA is my biggest loosing hand.

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Well done, i am gonna read em since AA is my biggest loosing hand.

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As long as you realize that there is a great difference amongst various AA hands, and that something like AA72r really isn't much better allin equity wise than virtually any other hand, and that the best AA hand cannot be much more than a 2-1 favorite allin against virtually any random hand, then there is no reason it should be. Judging the quality of a particular AA hand and taking into account stack sizes is the key to playing AA properly.

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AA72r really isn't much better allin equity wise than virtually any other hand

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I disagree if you mean to imply that A-A-rag-rag isnt worth getting all in preflop (assuming you read that someone else doesnt have the other aces). I believe it is. Although Im open to change my mind on the matter if you can convince me otherwise.

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I disagree if you mean to imply that A-A-rag-rag isnt worth getting all in preflop (assuming you read that someone else doesnt have the other aces). I believe it is. Although Im open to change my mind on the matter if you can convince me otherwise.

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Isn't this covered in the AAxx thread?

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pokenum -mc 500000 -o ad ac 7s 2h - qd jh th 9c
Omaha Hi: 500000 sampled boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
7s Ac Ad 2h 280661 56.13 219339 43.87 0 0.00 0.561
9c Qd Jh Th 219339 43.87 280661 56.13 0 0.00 0.439

This simulation shows that a bad AA rag hand does indeed have an equity advantage over the more common type of hand that another player is willing to take against AA even headsup, but it's not a bone-crusher. With a smaller stack size I certainly would be willing to go allin headsup with such a hand, but multiway or with deep stacks and lots of money to bet the flop, then just calling someone else's preflop raise is the best option, followed by usually quietly folding the flop when you mostly don't flop a set of As or a board set with your sidecards.

But if you overplay that type of hand with deep stacks you will be a long term loser for it. And as I have stated here before, with a deep stack facing other deep stacks and aggressive players multiway, I have folded that type of hand preflop a few times, and don't regret doing so because I can find a better hand and a better spot than that to invest a big stack on.

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You seem to have missed the "passing AA preflop" hand recently featuring much bun fighting and eye scratching...by far the best post on here in an age...

gl

dd

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Dave, that might still be here in the older threads and not on the archive server yet if that is all he searched.

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I just spent like 10 minutes looking and I couldn't find that thread. Apparently I am search function retarded.

If someone can find it I will change their title field (where it says carpal tunnel, veteran, etc) to whatever they want (i.e. Pimpalicious, Big Pimp Daddy, Straight Pimpin', just a few ideas) as long as it doesn't violate the T&C.

Thanks!

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I just spent like 10 minutes looking and I couldn't find that thread. Apparently I am search function retarded.

If someone can find it I will change their title field (where it says carpal tunnel, veteran, etc) to whatever they want (i.e. Pimpalicious, Big Pimp Daddy, Straight Pimpin', just a few ideas) as long as it doesn't violate the T&C.

Thanks!

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Bring it on!

The link is here!.

Funny thing is, I found this thread as I was playing and was dealt A-A-x-x. I lost the hand.

Change it to "Dominant Allele"

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This simulation shows that a bad AA rag hand does indeed have an equity advantage over the more common type of hand that another player is willing to take against AA even headsup, but it's not a bone-crusher. With a smaller stack size I certainly would be willing to go allin headsup with such a hand, but multiway or with deep stacks and lots of money to bet the flop, then just calling someone else's preflop raise is the best option, followed by usually quietly folding the flop when you mostly don't flop a set of As or a board set with your sidecards.

But if you overplay that type of hand with deep stacks you will be a long term loser for it. And as I have stated here before, with a deep stack facing other deep stacks and aggressive players multiway, I have folded that type of hand preflop a few times, and don't regret doing so because I can find a better hand and a better spot than that to invest a big stack on.

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great stuff... why aren't your posts in the politics forum this good? [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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This is about as bad as it can get (coin flip). I got this hand heads-up all-in preflop and unfortunately, lost with my aces.

pokenum -mc 500000 -o ah ac 7s 2d - 6c 7d 8c 9d
Omaha Hi: 500000 sampled boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
7s Ac 2d Ah 254764 50.95 245236 49.05 0 0.00 0.510
8c 6c 9d 7d 245236 49.05 254764 50.95 0 0.00 0.490

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I just spent like 10 minutes looking and I couldn't find that thread. Apparently I am search function retarded.

If someone can find it I will change their title field (where it says carpal tunnel, veteran, etc) to whatever they want (i.e. Pimpalicious, Big Pimp Daddy, Straight Pimpin', just a few ideas) as long as it doesn't violate the T&C.

Thanks!

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Bring it on!

The link is here!.

Funny thing is, I found this thread as I was playing and was dealt A-A-x-x. I lost the hand.

Change it to "Dominant Allele"

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Thanks dude!

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great stuff... why aren't your posts in the politics forum this good? [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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They are actually. It's just that you are willing to accept logical and correct thinking here because to do otherwise would cost you money, whereas it's free to you personally to refuse a correct political analysis. [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

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This is about as bad as it can get (coin flip). I got this hand heads-up all-in preflop and unfortunately, lost with my aces.

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I've always hated that whole "coin-flip" term and mentality which migrated from tournament play to cash games. A positive edge is a positive edge, and you want to get as much money in on same as possible, provided that, you aren't long term getting larger sums in on smaller edges while getting smaller sums in on larger edges, and where such large stacks you have built up are now a significant percentage of your bankroll. This is because even though the edge is there, your variance can shoot through the roof and damage your bankroll badly when the conditions above aren't met, and because allowing the LAGs to stack you this way preflop when your edge is small often will result in their hitting and running when they win this situation, when you could have been assured of grinding them down in multiple pots.

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A positive edge is a positive edge, and you want to get as much money in on same as possible, provided that, you aren't long term getting larger sums in on smaller edges while getting smaller sums in on larger edges, and where such large stacks you have built up are now a significant percentage of your bankroll.

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I think this goes back to Dave D's statement about why it's sometimes OK to fold AA-rag. Of course, you'd like to play for a lot of money when your edge is large, but unless you are playing against total donks, your edge is usually small when the stacks get pushed in. A 1% edge is great if you are playing blackjack, but you aren't losing much by wait for better spots. It's only slightly -EV.

You know me, I hate excessive variance! [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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That AA statement had a whole heap of caveats however.

Another problem with seaking small edges is that they are very hard to judge in PLO and in fact you may be taking a series of slightly -EV shots instead. Which is the worst of all worlds.

Unless you win, of course.

gl

dd

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Unless you win, of course.

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I thought we weren't supposed to be results oriented around here... [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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Another problem with seaking small edges is that they are very hard to judge in PLO and in fact you may be taking a series of slightly -EV shots instead. Which is the worst of all worlds.


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You probably mean when you have a big draw vs. a made hand, but I believe that also pertains to when you have AA-rag, when there is a very good chance that somebody else has AA-something.

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Vipassana,

If this is anything to judge your future posts on, keep 'em coming! Nice work.

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Another problem with seaking small edges is that they are very hard to judge in PLO and in fact you may be taking a series of slightly -EV shots instead. Which is the worst of all worlds.




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Of course you would like to have the best of the equity here, but in most cases that you could have a small edge/small disadvantage there is enough dead money in the pot to compensate for you being a 51/49 dog and getting all in