Party 750k cripple-me hand
 

180 left, I have about 21k. Avg. is 17k I'm in no trouble.

3 orbits into a new table, I haven't played a hand. I'm in the cutoff with T8s and open raise 3BB to 4500. the SB (with 17000) minireraises to 7500. I call.

Flop comes T64, BB bets 5000 of his remaining 9500. I push.

My real question is the preflop action, but the flop push is also up for debate.

Re: Party 750k cripple-me hand
 

players in late and blind position get cards too. top pair was second best here to overpair.

reraises, and min raises typically mean something. this was not a $5 buy in.

Re: Party 750k cripple-me hand
 

fold preflop?

Re: Party 750k cripple-me hand
 

tough hand.

raising to $4,500 left you with 11xbb. Calling the min raise to $7500, leaves you with 9xbb, which is IMO a nice time to start thinking about a play for the remaining portion of your stack. Table conditions were proper for your preflop raise, and I like it. Givin BB stack of 11x and only min raising causus some concern, unless he's a dope, which in this tourney i doubt. Given how the hand played out, I think I go broke here also.

Reads would be nice to have here,,, any?


Maybe we should think about this a different way. Prior to flop you had 14x bb...which is not a bad pile. Stealing the blinds would have given you $2,250 more/or 15.5xbb... which is not incrementally/substantionally more or changing the style of poker you can play moving on. That said, I think I just let this go preflop (not raising in the first place), and wait for better cards. Manyatime, have a pissed away a nice portion of my stack by getting cute.

Re: Party 750k cripple-me hand
 

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fold preflop?

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Can we fold to the min-raise here? I think that's the best move. Cash game I call it. Tourney, I'm folding because he's representing a hand that has me crushed.

Addendum
 

It was close to a prize jump, and the BB was on a relatively short stack. I think the preflop steal is borderline automatic but zambonidrvr makes a great point about the difference between 14 and 15.5 BB being almost negligible.

Re: Party 750k cripple-me hand
 

I would never in a million years play w/ this hand unless it was a guaranteed limp in.

Re: Party 750k cripple-me hand
 

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I would never in a million years play w/ this hand unless it was a guaranteed limp in.

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And I would never in a million years open-limp with this hand.

Re: Party 750k cripple-me hand
 

And you will never in a million years be a good player unless you try to steal.

Re: Party 750k cripple-me hand
 

I'd fold to the min raise. If the stacks were a little deeper I'd call but would fold unless I hit something larger than a pair. You tried to steal, you got caught. Live to fight another day.