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Dave D 12-27-2005 02:03 AM

Gosh... AQ against a donk. Party 30+3 w/ 250 entrants
 
I think I donked this one. How do you play this? I have villian labeled a donk due to a particularly donktacular time when she paid me off earlier calling off a draw w/o odds.

Comments on all parts of the hand appreciated.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

UTG+2 (t4613)
MP1 (t1705)
MP2 (t11573)
MP3 (t3910)
CO (t3075)
Button (t3167)
SB (t1768)
Hero (t7114)
UTG (t6145)
UTG+1 (t1080)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">7 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to t500</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls t300.

Flop: (t1100) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t700</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to t1400</font>, Hero calls t700.

Turn: I put her all in for 1250ish..(t3900) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

River: (t3900) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: t3900

Dave D 12-27-2005 01:29 PM

Re: Gosh... AQ against a donk. Party 30+3 w/ 250 entrants
 
NO ONE has anything to say here?

Pasterbator 12-27-2005 01:31 PM

Re: Gosh... AQ against a donk. Party 30+3 w/ 250 entrants
 
Reraise to 1400 preflop, push any flop?

Dave D 12-27-2005 01:33 PM

Re: Gosh... AQ against a donk. Party 30+3 w/ 250 entrants
 
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Reraise to 1400 preflop, push any flop?

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YOU, stay out of my SnGs.

Yeah, I mean this call line would be my standard with AA-TT and probably AK. I thought I was pushing it w/ AQ, but the donkyness of the player made me think I could do that. Then again, you can't bluff a calling station...which is what she ends up being.

12-27-2005 01:34 PM

Re: Gosh... AQ against a donk. Party 30+3 w/ 250 entrants
 
I hate messing with donks, because they tend to be calling stations. The only hand you are beating on the flop is K high, in my opinion, with maybe an AJ, A9 if she has liberal raising standards. I would give up once the donk raised you on the flop. She's serious about something, which probably isn't a whole lot, but it has to beat AQ. Odds of you getting her off of it are very slim after she raised preflop and then tossed in a re-raise on the flop.

Pasterbator 12-27-2005 01:44 PM

Re: Gosh... AQ against a donk. Party 30+3 w/ 250 entrants
 
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Reraise to 1400 preflop, push any flop?

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YOU, stay out of my SnGs.

Yeah, I mean this call line would be my standard with AA-TT and probably AK. I thought I was pushing it w/ AQ, but the donkyness of the player made me think I could do that. Then again, you can't bluff a calling station...which is what she ends up being.

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The $33s are MY SNGs, find your own.

Anyway, i don't like playing it the way you did. Most donks don't think about their opponents hand. They play theirs. So bluffing these people isn't very profitable. If you decide to get it all in preflop (or close to it), with what is likely the best hand in this Button/BB situation, I think you will come out ahead more often than not.

If you feel the need to call preflop, I think checkraising all in on the flop could scare the donk, just because "I saw Phil Ivey checkraise all in this one time and he had 10-10, so you must have flopped quads, and im not paying it off."

KneeCo 12-27-2005 01:45 PM

Re: Gosh... AQ against a donk. Party 30+3 w/ 250 entrants
 
Why do you lead out at the flop?

Seems like an odd move to me, you didn't reraise pf, and you wouldn't lead out with a T (of course you might, but I'm saying from the villain's perspective in this hand). From his POV, I think it looks like you have nothing or mid-pockets.

If you want to make a move on the flop, I think a CR would have been a lot better.

MLG 12-27-2005 01:57 PM

Re: Gosh... AQ against a donk. Party 30+3 w/ 250 entrants
 
not reraising preflop with these stacks is fairly criminal.

Dave D 12-27-2005 02:12 PM

Re: Gosh... AQ against a donk. Party 30+3 w/ 250 entrants
 
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not reraising preflop with these stacks is fairly criminal.

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Even with AA/KK/QQ?

I like calling for decepticon value.

Dave D 12-27-2005 02:13 PM

Re: Gosh... AQ against a donk. Party 30+3 w/ 250 entrants
 
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Why do you lead out at the flop?

Seems like an odd move to me, you didn't reraise pf, and you wouldn't lead out with a T (of course you might, but I'm saying from the villain's perspective in this hand). From his POV, I think it looks like you have nothing or mid-pockets.

If you want to make a move on the flop, I think a CR would have been a lot better.

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I led out for info basically. A c/r would probably have to be all in from me, and would probably just commit her to calling right? Insert citation of that thread from a few months back about the call flop lead turn line b/c c/ring just committs people so it's bad to bluff with.


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