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Dave D 12-19-2005 11:17 PM

JJ, early-mid tourney Party 20+2
 
No real reads on villian as I was recently moved.

I have JJ and 3300 chips.
blinds 25/50

2 folds , villian raises to 150 , 2 folds

I make it 400 to go. Everyone folds back to villian who calls.

Flop comes A58 all clubs. I have the J of clubs. Pot is 875. Villian has about 1250 left.

Villian checks to me.

What's your move and why?

ansky451 12-19-2005 11:31 PM

Re: JJ, early-mid tourney Party 20+2
 
Are you acting last?

Dave D 12-19-2005 11:40 PM

Re: JJ, early-mid tourney Party 20+2
 
My bad, forgot to include he checked.

The blinds folded so it's just me and him.

ansky451 12-19-2005 11:42 PM

Re: JJ, early-mid tourney Party 20+2
 
Well then it would help to know his action seeing as how it is first...

12-20-2005 12:55 AM

Re: JJ, early-mid tourney Party 20+2
 
Bet 500 - if he had a hand he'd have to protect it unless he had the Kc or Qc w/ it (like AK w/ Kc) - if he pushes back then I'm hard pressed to think of a hand I'm ahead of or can outdraw and have to lay it down (if you've seen him pop w/ air then you could factor that in, I assume w/o reads that he hasn't been out of line). Can't see checking as I'm vulnerable and have to call any reasonable turn bet he'd lead with - betting allows me to set the price and may take the pot down right there. If he calls I'll look to check it down.

Dave D 12-20-2005 01:07 AM

Re: JJ, early-mid tourney Party 20+2
 
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Bet 500 - if he had a hand he'd have to protect it unless he had the Kc or Qc w/ it (like AK w/ Kc) - if he pushes back then I'm hard pressed to think of a hand I'm ahead of or can outdraw and have to lay it down (if you've seen him pop w/ air then you could factor that in, I assume w/o reads that he hasn't been out of line). Can't see checking as I'm vulnerable and have to call any reasonable turn bet he'd lead with - betting allows me to set the price and may take the pot down right there. If he calls I'll look to check it down.

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If he pushes back, its only ~750 more for me to call. The pot is 750+875+500=2125 so i'm getting 2.8 to 1. With 10 outs I can probably assume are good... I think I pretty much have to call as I'm getting about .8 of that 2.8 as overlay. Nevermind that he could be bluffing (though it seems unlikey I guess, then again its a 20+2).

I agree with your line though, that's probably what I would do, maybe 600 instead but whatever.

Dave D 12-20-2005 01:47 AM

Re: JJ, early-mid tourney Party 20+2
 
just realized I didn't calculate pot odds correctly, forgot his 500 to match my bet. Just strengthens the argument for calling anyway.

So I figure I might as well go ahead and push right away.

12-20-2005 02:25 AM

Re: JJ, early-mid tourney Party 20+2
 
You end up pushing? I'm guessing he tried to play for set value or has an AQ, AJ.

ansky451 12-20-2005 02:57 AM

Re: JJ, early-mid tourney Party 20+2
 
That may be the widest range ever gators. "He either has a pair or AQ+.

Dave D 12-20-2005 11:47 AM

Re: JJ, early-mid tourney Party 20+2
 
Can I get a flop line from anyone? I'm saying that I think my best move is a big bet like pushing, or I suppose maybe 900. What would you do here?

I'll post what I did on the flop, and results later.


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