Value bet overpair on river with str and flush on board?
 

I'm trying to improve my river play lately, and I'm finding this situation a lot in games where everyone's calling down. I also find that many players will either wait in the weeds with a better hand or just call down with a better hand.

SB is insanely loose and passive, BB is TP, and MP is another calling station.

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is MP with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, CO calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (12.50 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, CO calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (8.25 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, CO calls $0.24 (All-In), BB calls, UTG calls.

River: (11.37 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players, 1 all-in)</font>

bet? or be safe?

Re: Value bet overpair on river with str and flush on board?
 

It's a little scary. I bet every single time.

Re: Value bet overpair on river with str and flush on board?
 

sometimes you lose, but the river bet makes good money in the long run because of the worse hands that call it down.

Re: Value bet overpair on river with str and flush on board?
 

Pretty far-fetched straights on the board and if someone's got 2 diamonds then so be it. Bet here planning on winning most of the time.

Re: Value bet overpair on river with str and flush on board?
 

hehe, Bet but i hate doing it when i get raised.

Everyone calling the raises from whoever it may be [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]? I mean if you're going to bet... You gotta know what to do when raised right [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] ?

Re: Value bet overpair on river with str and flush on board?
 

Yeah I didn't say anything about it but I don't know if we can fold at that point. This is a situation where I actually like to be OOP better cuz I can just check call knowing that some of these donkies are going to bet worse hands + bluff the 3 flush.

Re: Value bet overpair on river with str and flush on board?
 

I tend to C/C vs 3 or more opponents depending on my reads and board texture.

here its not THAT BAD but i'm tempted to C/C as i wanted to go to showdown and i think someone will bet anyhow.

Also i'd probably call a raise because ummm i want to see im beat? [Insert a good reason to call raise here]

Re: Value bet overpair on river with str and flush on board?
 

Well here we can't check call cuz we have position.

I'll be the first to admit that I'm not all that disciplined to be able to bet/fold in these situations but results probably would dictate that I should. I see your point. I'm a fish. Unfortunately, I don't think we can get away from at least betting. UGH. KK, AA... I [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] them.