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ticks 09-22-2005 10:40 AM

AA flops quads
 
I usually play cash games, and some SNGs online.
But once a week I play at a local club.
Between 25-40 people, and payouts to the top three.
Buyin 100+20 NKR (=20$).
8 people at the table when this hand came up, and still 25-30 people left in total.
Blinds 75/150.
My stack is about 3700
Hero picks up AA UTG.
I raise 300.
Ive been playing very TAG, my raises get too much respect, so I was worried it would be folded around the table if I raised more.
Two callers, one in MP(about 3000) and one in BB(about 7000).
MP is difficult to pin down but not too bad I guess, BB is laggy.
Pot: 975.
Flop: AAx.
And I almost fall out of my chair (metaphorically).
I bet 200 - a bet I hope will be seen as weak stealing attempt.
Do you sometimes do this with your monsters?
Or should I just check and hope the lag goes crazy?

In my opinion, a check-call here conveys more strength from a tight player than a weak bet.

37offsuit 09-22-2005 10:45 AM

Re: AA flops quads
 
You have the board locked so a check will look like at least a single ace to your opponents, maybe KK. Your opponents likely have drawing hands. You need to appear to be making a probe bet here with a pocket pair, and have someone else buy that. 200 is probably just a little weak. In this situation, I like to bet about a 1/3 of the pot. If I get a caller, then I check to them to appear like I've given up on the hand. Depending on their bet, I'll either take a longish (but not insanely long) time to call and then make a blocking style bet on the river and hope they read it as that unless they've already pot committed themselves. What you want to appear like you have is TT-KK and give them hope that they can take this pot away from you with air (unless they hit their boat somewhere along the line).

ticks 09-22-2005 11:06 AM

Re: AA flops quads
 
An annoying side note with this hand:
There was an extra prize that particular night.
The best hand in the tournament that went to a showdown
would get 500NKR deposited to an account on the poker site that sponsors the tournament.

I.e. I should just have check-called the hand down.
Instead, everyone folded to my lousy 200 bet.
[censored].

And [censored] bloody side prizes like that, that messes up proper strategy.

Toddy 09-22-2005 11:07 AM

Re: AA flops quads
 
I'd check this everytime, but unfortunately I don't see these guys making any big bets w/ 2 aces out there. The only problem in checking is that will immediately draw attention to you because 90% of people that flop a set or better of Aces will check. So maybe a little $200 probe bet might make them raise. Especially if they caught the X card.

Toddy 09-22-2005 11:09 AM

Re: AA flops quads
 
[ QUOTE ]
An annoying side note with this hand:
There was an extra prize that particular night.
The best hand in the tournament that went to a showdown
would get 500NKR deposited to an account on the poker site that sponsors the tournament.

I.e. I should just have check-called the hand down.
Instead, everyone folded to my lousy 200 bet.
[censored].

And [censored] bloody side prizes like that, that messes up proper strategy.

[/ QUOTE ]

I'd check it down too. What does NKR mean?

ticks 09-22-2005 11:10 AM

Re: AA flops quads
 
[ QUOTE ]

I'd check it down too. What does NKR mean?

[/ QUOTE ]

Norske Kroner, the norwegian currency.

subzero 09-22-2005 11:22 AM

Re: AA flops quads
 
[ QUOTE ]
An annoying side note with this hand:
There was an extra prize that particular night.
The best hand in the tournament that went to a showdown
would get 500NKR deposited to an account on the poker site that sponsors the tournament.

[/ QUOTE ]
Well gee, there's your answer! With a monster like this, I think it'll be hard to get any money out of the hand no matter what you do. Any aggression from you will most likely fold everyone else. It's very easy to put you on a AK or AQ and you know they don't have an ace. I probably check all the way and pray that someone catches a hand or tries to bluff. If you check (even on the river), they may convince themselves that you have KK-TT and you're trying to get to showdown cheap. Maybe you can induce a bluff.

ticks 09-22-2005 11:25 AM

Re: AA flops quads
 
[ QUOTE ]

Well gee, there's your answer!

[/ QUOTE ]

Well duh, I know!
But if you IGNORE the side prize,
Im not so sure it always will be correct to check it down.

Exitonly 09-22-2005 11:27 AM

Re: AA flops quads
 
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]

I'd check it down too. What does NKR mean?

[/ QUOTE ]

Norske Kroner, the norwegian currency.

[/ QUOTE ]


sincee that 500nkr bonus thing, i'd check it down definitely... that's 5x buyins..

but normallly i'd bet out weakish..

you took the lead preflop it looks wierd when you don't follow through.

By checking you're really hoping that someone hits one of two cards that pays you off (i.e. they fill up) i'd rather bet weak and hope they ense it a make a move.

but i'm more likely to check the higher up my quads are... so aces i'd guess i'd mix it up 50/50 weak betting/checking.

Soul Daddy 09-22-2005 11:28 AM

Re: AA flops quads
 
You're unlikely to make any money on this hand unless someone catches or you induce a bluff. You almost have to check and give them a chance to do so.

Also, your min-raise from UTG + 1/5 pot bet on the flop screams strength, especially if your image is what you think it is.


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