Grade the drafts of the Brown Trout Yahoo League
 

16 team league with 15 man rosters (we drafted 14, the last is left open for a post-draft waiver wire spot).

The results of the draft can be found here. Scan the entire list, or click on a team to see their draft and owner.

I realize doing the entire league might me more time than you're willing to waste but if you're bored and want to analyze how people did, it'd be cool. Otherwise, I'm going to paste my team in a reply right after this and you can just analyze mine. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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Roster Positions:
1 QB
2 WR
2 RB
1 TE
1 Flex (WR or RB)
1 K
1 Team Defense
6 Bench

Stat Categories:
Passing Yards (20 yards per point)
Passing Touchdowns (4)
Interceptions (-2)
Rushing Yards (10 yards per point)
Rushing Touchdowns (6)
Reception Yards (10 yards per point)
Reception Touchdowns (6)
Return Touchdowns (6)
2-Point Conversions (2)
Fumbles Lost (-2)
Offensive Fumble Return TD (6)
Field Goals 0-19 Yards (3)
Field Goals 20-29 Yards (3)
Field Goals 30-39 Yards (3)
Field Goals 40-49 Yards (4)
Field Goals 50+ Yards (5)
Point After Attempt Made (1)
Sack (1)
Interception (2)
Fumble Recovery (2)
Touchdown (6)
Safety (2)
Block Kick (2)
Points Allowed 0 points (10)
Points Allowed 1-6 points (7)
Points Allowed 7-13 points (4)
Points Allowed 14-20 points (1)
Points Allowed 21-27 points (0)
Points Allowed 28-34 points (-1)
Points Allowed 35+ points (-4)

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MY DRAFT

Overall --- Name --- Position
15 Clinton Portis RB
18 Ahman Green RB
47 Darrell Jackson WR
50 Brett Favre QB
79 Isaac Bruce WR
82 Chris Chambers WR (FLEX)
111 Mewelde Moore RB
114 Donte Stallworth WR
143 Tyrone Calico WR
146 L. J. Smith TE
175 Chris Perry RB
178 JP Losman QB
207 Denver DEF
210 Matt Stover K


starters in bold

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6 Edgerrin James RB
27 Lamont Jordan RB
38 Kerry Collins QB
59 Roy Williams WR
70 Dallas Clark TE
91 Derek Blaylock RB
102 Mike Anderson RB
123 Ricky Williams RB
134 Kurt Warner QB
155 Reggie Williams WR
166 Jonathan Wells RB
187 Minnesota DEF
198 Darius Watts WR
219 Josh Brown K

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here's mine:

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5-Peyton Manning QB
28-Carnell Williams (R) RB
37-Antonio Gates TE
60-Steve Smith WR
69-Larry Johnson RB
92-T.J. Houshmandzadeh WR
101- Patriots Def
124- Keenan McCardell WR
133- Shayne Graham K
156-Mike Williams WR
165- Brandon Jacobs RB
188- Reche Caldwell WR
197- Ben Watson TE
220- Billy Volek QB

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here's mine:

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5-Peyton Manning QB
28-Carnell Williams (R) RB
37-Antonio Gates TE
60-Steve Smith WR
69-Larry Johnson RB
92-T.J. Houshmandzadeh WR
101- Patriots Def
124- Keenan McCardell WR
133- Shayne Graham K
156-Mike Williams WR
165- Brandon Jacobs RB
188- Reche Caldwell WR
197- Ben Watson TE
220- Billy Volek QB

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With 2 RBs and a flex, most teams will be starting 3 RBs. You have 1 rookie RB, who might not even start, and 2 RBs that are backups on their team. Not looking good...

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here's mine:

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5-Peyton Manning QB
28-Carnell Williams (R) RB
37-Antonio Gates TE
60-Steve Smith WR
69-Larry Johnson RB
92-T.J. Houshmandzadeh WR
101- Patriots Def
124- Keenan McCardell WR
133- Shayne Graham K
156-Mike Williams WR
165- Brandon Jacobs RB
188- Reche Caldwell WR
197- Ben Watson TE
220- Billy Volek QB

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With 2 RBs and a flex, most teams will be starting 3 RBs. You have 1 rookie RB, who might not even start, and 2 RBs that are backups on their team. Not looking good...

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Good luck with this team... Wish I was in your league!

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here's mine:

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5-Peyton Manning QB
28-Carnell Williams (R) RB
37-Antonio Gates TE
60-Steve Smith WR
69-Larry Johnson RB
92-T.J. Houshmandzadeh WR
101- Patriots Def
124- Keenan McCardell WR
133- Shayne Graham K
156-Mike Williams WR
165- Brandon Jacobs RB
188- Reche Caldwell WR
197- Ben Watson TE
220- Billy Volek QB

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With 2 RBs and a flex, most teams will be starting 3 RBs. You have 1 rookie RB, who might not even start, and 2 RBs that are backups on their team. Not looking good...

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yeah, i couldn't pass up peyton at #5 and that was the best rb left at that point. oh well. i made sure i wasn't in rough shape at K/Def/TE, but it may not work. i sort of need priest to get hurt.

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heres my team. I probally have the least experience drafting so I didnt really know what to do heading in to this. Ive done a couple yahoo ones but those are just because I got bored.



Overall Round Pick Name Position
2 1 2 Priest Holmes RB
31 2 15 Tory Holt WR
34 3 2 Joe Horn WR
63 4 15 Derrick Mason WR
66 5 2 Tom Brady QB
95 6 15 Thomas Jones RB
98 7 2 Jeremy Shockey TE
127 8 15 Bills Def
130 9 2 Marcel Shiip RB
159 10 15 Anthony Thomas RB
162 11 2 Sebastian Janikowski K
191 12 15 Dante Hall WR
194 13 2 Ben Troupe TE
223 14 15 Patrick Ramsey QB

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Tough looking at the teams like that, but a quick view looks like BostonZak did pretty good. Manning and CPep went way too early in that scoring system.

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Tough looking at the teams like that, but a quick view looks like BostonZak did pretty good. Manning and CPep went way too early in that scoring system.

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I think my biggest slip was when I picked Darrel Jackson, allowing Zak to pick DeShaun and Fred Taylor back to back. There were no RBs left worth taking at that point, so my backup RBs suck ass.

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I only went through the first 4 rounds, but some general notes:


In a 16-team league starting 2 RB's and a flex with only 2 WR's, the value of RB's goes WAY up. As such there were way too many QB's and WR's taken in the first 4 rounds. In fact, every single QB taken in the first 4 rounds and every WR taken in the first 2 rounds (except possibly Holt), were taken way too early. Manning probably should have waited till late 1st or early 2nd round. And every other selection of a QB in the 1st 4 rds was a terrible pick. Since there were so many QB's and WR's taken early, you can basically evaluate the drafts by who stuck to picking RB's early and often.

Evalation of drafts through round 4 (based on who did the best job drafting, not necessarily the best teams as those drafting towards beginning did have an advantage):

Good drafts
<ul type="square">[*]Brent Musberger [*]Fred Taylors groin (Whitten might be a bit of stretch, but excellent draft)[*]Evil Monkeys[/list]
Average drafts:
<ul type="square">[*]Lets Go Buffalo (Pretty solid, but would've preferred one of the available RB's in rd3 instead of Horn)[*]Toi Cooks (who ruined 3 good rounds with Hasselback in the 4th)[*]Infinite Drew Downs (available RB's in 2nd and 3rd probably a little better than WR's Johnson and Walker, but not by a huge amount)[*]The Holdout (same as Infinte Drew, WR's a little early, but not bad)[*]Luckboxes R' Us (good 1st 3, ruined by Favre)[*]Gunner Stahl (McAllister was the steal of the 1st round, though, again Bulger in the 3rd was a big mistake).[*]BostonZak (Moss taken too early, saved when Taylor and Foster fell all the way to the end of the 3rd)[*]The Hitmen (Green taken way too early)[*]PoopSoup (Same as everyone else, Collins taken way too early)[*]handsome (solid, though I think the available RB's still had a bit more value than Harrison and Gonzalez was OK value, but you only had 1 RB at that point, you needed to land a 2nd and there only a handful of playable ones left)[/list]
Worst:
<ul type="square">[*]Enrique Bouncers (Culpepper at #4 was terrible)[*]Montgomery Biscuits (McNabb in the 1st was horrible, lots of WR's I would've taken before Muhammed - saving grace is Tiki was one of bigger steals in the draft at #21)[*]Dharma Buns (Manning too early, half a dozen available RB's I would've taken before Williams, Gates taken too early).[/list]

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I'm not quite sure who else I could have taken there, once I made the Darrel Jackson pick. If I'd have taken DeShaun Foster then maybe Jackson would have slipped to me after Zak's picks. As soon as I picked Jackson I got a feeling I made a mistake there.

But once I took Jackson, I didn't really see anyone still on the board with as much relative value as Favre. Of course, some people are down on Favre -- I'm pretty high on him this year, as he's supposed to be in even better shape and even more prepared than last year, and last year was very solid.

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I'm not quite sure who else I could have taken there, once I made the Darrel Jackson pick. If I'd have taken DeShaun Foster then maybe Jackson would have slipped to me after Zak's picks. As soon as I picked Jackson I got a feeling I made a mistake there.

But once I took Jackson, I didn't really see anyone still on the board with as much relative value as Favre. Of course, some people are down on Favre -- I'm pretty high on him this year, as he's supposed to be in even better shape and even more prepared than last year, and last year was very solid.

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Lee Suggs, Thomas Jones, Roy Williams, Hines Ward, Michael Clayton, Nate Burleson, Drew Bennett. - you get the idea. Still way to early to draft a QB.

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Example: Brooks, Leftwich, McNair and Pennington were taken in the 8th &amp; 9th rounds. Do you think Favre is enough better than these guys to warrant taking him almost 100 picks earlier?!?!

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Good drafts[*]Fred Taylors groin (Whitten might be a bit of stretch, but excellent draft)


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Woohoo! Redemption!

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Worst:[LIST][*]Enrique Bouncers (Culpepper at #4 was terrible)

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luckily I don't play poker like I draft fantasy football [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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Well, this was my first FF draft ever, and I can see that my strategy was very different from the conventional strategy (and probably much worse).

I have to admit that I don't understand why RB's should be taken so early. Under this scoring system, last year, there were five QB who scored more points than the highest scoring runningback, so I don't see what's so bad about taking QB's early.

The thing that I should be critisized for (that you didn't mention) was drafting a player who has been suspended for the year.

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[*]Dharma Buns (Manning too early, half a dozen available RB's I would've taken before Williams, Gates taken too early).


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if i remember correctly, williams was one of the only rb's left on the board w/ a reasonable shot at starting 16 games (or at least being any good in the process)

the manning pick was maybe too early, but i let all those TD passes blind me a bit

the gates pick: the rb i wanted was still available a couple rounds later (larry johnson), and the elite WR's had just gone off the board, so the thinking was i won't get a WR/RB who's considerably better than what i can get next round, but i can get one of the best TE's now and solidify a really weak position. same reason i'd take a top 5 2B over a top 30 OF, even though the OF has better stats.

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1 Julius Jones RB
2 Terrell Owens WR
3 Reggie Wayne WR
4 Jerome Bettis RB
5 Dieon Branch WR
6 Travis Henry RB
7 Doug Jolley TE
8 Adam Vinatieri K
9 Steve McNair QB
10 Philadelphia Def
11 Antonio Bryant WR
12 Mark Clayton WR
13 Dominic Rhodes RB
14 David Terrell WR

Here's my draft, to make it easy as well.
(I had the 13th pick or something)

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MY DRAFT

Overall --- Name --- Position
15 Clinton Portis RB
18 Ahman Green RB
47 Darrell Jackson WR
50 Brett Favre QB
79 Isaac Bruce WR
82 Chris Chambers WR
111 Mewelde Moore RB (FLEX)
114 Donte Stallworth WR
143 Tyrone Calico WR
146 L. J. Smith TE
175 Chris Perry RB
178 JP Losman QB
207 Denver DEF
210 Matt Stover K


starters in bold

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FYP

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MY DRAFT

Overall --- Name --- Position
15 Clinton Portis RB
18 Ahman Green RB
47 Darrell Jackson WR
50 Brett Favre QB
79 Isaac Bruce WR
82 Chris Chambers WR
111 Mewelde Moore RB (FLEX)
114 Donte Stallworth WR
143 Tyrone Calico WR
146 L. J. Smith TE
175 Chris Perry RB
178 JP Losman QB
207 Denver DEF
210 Matt Stover K


starters in bold

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FYP

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Why the [censored] would I start a backup RB at flex over a starting WR?

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I have to admit that I don't understand why RB's should be taken so early. Under this scoring system, last year, there were five QB who scored more points than the highest scoring runningback, so I don't see what's so bad about taking QB's early.

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The value of player in FF is not how many points they score, but how many more or less points than your opponents player at the same position scores. It doesn't matter if your QB scores 100 points a game if everybody's QB scores 100 pts/game.

A simple example comparing two teams and two positions will illustrate this very clearly:

You used your 1st and 5th rd picks to get your starting QB and 2nd RB. Fred Taylor's groin filled these same positions using his 2nd rd pick and his 7th rd pick (Jackson &amp; Carr). Let's compare:

Using some common projections with your scoring system, McNabb will score about 20pts/game, Droughns will score about 5pts/game. Carr will score about 16 pts/game and Jackson will score about 12pts/game.

Thus, Fred Taylor's 2nd and 7th round picks are expected to outscore your 1st and 5th round picks by about 3 pts/game - a pretty big advantage considering both his picks were quite a bit after yours.

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if i remember correctly, williams was one of the only rb's left on the board w/ a reasonable shot at starting 16 games (or at least being any good in the process)

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You may be right, but I would've taken Dunn, Barlow, Arrington, Bennett or Taylor before Williams.

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the manning pick was maybe too early, but i let all those TD passes blind me a bit

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Manning will probably be great this year, QB's just aren't that valuable in your league. You could've picked up a decent QB in 6th rd or later, but no way are you going to get a quality RB there.

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the gates pick: the rb i wanted was still available a couple rounds later (larry johnson), and the elite WR's had just gone off the board, so the thinking was i won't get a WR/RB who's considerably better than what i can get next round, but i can get one of the best TE's now and solidify a really weak position. same reason i'd take a top 5 2B over a top 30 OF, even though the OF has better stats.

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1st I would've taken Gonzalez ahead of Gates. Gates has 1 great year, Gonzalez has been the top TE forever. 2nd TE's are similar to QB's, there are plenty to go around. Yes, your TE will be a bit better than most of the other team's TE. But drafting him early in the 3rd, you passed up some servicable RB's (Taylor, Brown, Foster, Benson) and some stud WR's (Walker, Wayne, Johnson, Jackson).

Now you're stuck using Larry Johnson as your RB#2 (who won't score more than a couple of points a week unless Holmes is injured) and Keenan McCardell as your flex (who also won't score more than a couple of points a week) and what are you going to do during bye weeks and when some of your guys get injured? Brandon Jacobs??? Reche Caldwell??? You're going to get slaughtered at these positions by MUCH more than your TE is going to gain for you. Taking Gates lost you your only chance to get guys to fill these spots.

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if i remember correctly, williams was one of the only rb's left on the board w/ a reasonable shot at starting 16 games (or at least being any good in the process)

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You may be right, but I would've taken Dunn, Barlow, Arrington, Bennett or Taylor before Williams.

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the manning pick was maybe too early, but i let all those TD passes blind me a bit

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Manning will probably be great this year, QB's just aren't that valuable in your league. You could've picked up a decent QB in 6th rd or later, but no way are you going to get a quality RB there.

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the gates pick: the rb i wanted was still available a couple rounds later (larry johnson), and the elite WR's had just gone off the board, so the thinking was i won't get a WR/RB who's considerably better than what i can get next round, but i can get one of the best TE's now and solidify a really weak position. same reason i'd take a top 5 2B over a top 30 OF, even though the OF has better stats.

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1st I would've taken Gonzalez ahead of Gates. Gates has 1 great year, Gonzalez has been the top TE forever. 2nd TE's are similar to QB's, there are plenty to go around. Yes, your TE will be a bit better than most of the other team's TE. But drafting him early in the 3rd, you passed up some servicable RB's (Taylor, Brown, Foster, Benson) and some stud WR's (Walker, Wayne, Johnson, Jackson).

Now you're stuck using Larry Johnson as your RB#2 (who won't score more than a couple of points a week unless Holmes is injured) and Keenan McCardell as your flex (who also won't score more than a couple of points a week) and what are you going to do during bye weeks and when some of your guys get injured? Brandon Jacobs??? Reche Caldwell??? You're going to get slaughtered at these positions by MUCH more than your TE is going to gain for you. Taking Gates lost you your only chance to get guys to fill these spots.

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live and learn, i guess. this is actually my first football draft, so i'm kinda green. but you should see me put together a kick ass pitching staff.

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Going through somewhat quicky, and ignoring the K and D positions, I think the two strongest teams are Toi Cooks and Fred Taylor's Groin.

I think FTG has a slight edge with his starters, but TC has a bit better and deeper of a bench.

If Benson would have signed a few weeks ago, I'd say Toi Cooks is the best team in the league. With the questions surrounding him at this moment, I think these two teams are REAL close.

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yeah, i couldn't pass up peyton at #5

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omg yes you could have.

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14 1 Rudi Johnson RB
19 2 Tatum Bell RB
46 3 Andre Johnson WR
51 4 Nate Burleson WR
78 5 Todd Heap TE
83 6 Drew Brees QB
110 7 David Akers K
115 8 Chester Taylor RB
142 9 Amani Toomer WR
147 10 Atlanta Def
174 11 Joey Galloway WR
179 12 Jeb Putzier TE
206 13 Gus Frerotte QB
211 14 Maurice Morris RB

I missed a few picks cuz the timing of the draft missed my schedule a little bit and i had no idea who was left at the end.

meh, its decent.

[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Kasey [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

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He's not gonna be a backup very often or for very long. Bennett isn't very good and he's got a strained neck right now. I think you're going to like your Moore pickup a whole heck of a lot as the season moves forward. Nice pick.

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He's not gonna be a backup very often or for very long. Bennett isn't very good and he's got a strained neck right now. I think you're going to like your Moore pickup a whole heck of a lot as the season moves forward. Nice pick.

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I like it too, I'm just saying that for now he's just a kick returner. If he overtakes Bennett due to injury or just because Bennett sucks, then obviously he'll be starting FLEX.

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Last I saw on ESPN Insider, it said that Bennett was doing a good job holding on to the starting job so far through camp.

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Tice said locally that Bennett has a neck strain and didn't seem confident he'd be back in time to start against Tampa in Week 1. Meanwhile, Bennett maintains he's fine and will only miss this week's preseason game. Tice has also been going out of his way to praise Moore's pass blocking, a far cry from last year. Seems like Tice might be trying to move Moore into the number one slot without hurting Bennett's feelings.

Not to mention that even if Bennett does start at number one he has absolutely no idea how to avoid and/or take a hit and will be banged up within a week or two.