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scdavis0 11-07-2005 06:31 PM

Check-fold top set on the turn
 
Two pair doesn't play the turn like this. The only thing I'm beating is a flush draw that elects to bluff the turn on my weakness (a very strong play I would add). No immediate+implied odds to fill up.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Button ($372)
SB ($595.10)
BB ($422)
UTG ($696.70)
MP ($326.40)
Hero ($794.75)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $2.
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $20</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $20, Button calls $20, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>.

Flop: ($66) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $50</font>, Button calls $50, UTG folds.

Turn: ($166) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $200</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $366

theweatherman 11-07-2005 06:33 PM

Re: Check-fold top set on the turn
 
yes.

Morrek 11-07-2005 06:34 PM

Re: Check-fold top set on the turn
 
youre also beating 66 77 88 but yes, probably good fold. With deeper stacks you can call for the boat

djoyce003 11-07-2005 06:40 PM

Re: Check-fold top set on the turn
 
ouch.

I probably play it the same....although i'd be more worried about a 5 or 10 falling than the 8...as if he has the 8 he's got an oesd on that flop and is more likely to call than someone with a 10. I might have considered leading that turn.

swolfe 11-07-2005 06:52 PM

Re: Check-fold top set on the turn
 
stats?

i'd have bet the turn. it's possible (likely even) that you're ahead here. even if he has a 5, he has to be worried about a T. if he has a T, he may slow play and just call. all other two-pair/set/heart draws will call your turn bet giving you value.

scdavis0 11-07-2005 06:53 PM

Re: Check-fold top set on the turn
 
So basically you are saying pot stick myself on the turn.

swolfe 11-07-2005 07:00 PM

Re: Check-fold top set on the turn
 
[ QUOTE ]
So basically you are saying pot stick myself on the turn.

[/ QUOTE ]

a $100 bet won't necessarily pot stick you. i'm saying make a value bet and play some poker. why do you assume you're beat?

scdavis0 11-07-2005 07:09 PM

Re: Check-fold top set on the turn
 
So when you say "play some poker", you really mean put some money in the pot so that when he comes over the top of you, and you can't call with proper odds you can fold and feel good about it.

I think a turn bet is terrible. He moves in on you with a straight, and often times he won't bomb you when you check as he did here. You can call profitably with immediate+implied odds.

swolfe 11-07-2005 07:19 PM

Re: Check-fold top set on the turn
 
then why did you post this hand?

11-07-2005 07:26 PM

Re: Check-fold top set on the turn
 
What is villain calling with after the $50 flop bet? 10's, 810, or some big draw like A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]10 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]?

Playing the set so weak allowed you to get muscled out of the pot, but you make a great point that you won't normally face such heavy pressure on the turn after you check and will normally get odds to fill up.

I don't play at stakes this high online, only live, and it plays much differently than these games. You should consider cross posting this thread in the MHNL if you haven't done so already.


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