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BBill 03-21-2005 11:06 PM

not good news for the N.Dakota Poker bill
 
[On March 21, 2005, the ND Senate voted overwhelmingly, 44 against, 3 for, to rebuke Rep. Kasper and the helpers in his ND House Bill, Barry and Allyn Jaffrey Shulman. Is "this now closed, King"?]]


North Dakota Internet Poker bill

GrannyMae 03-21-2005 11:42 PM

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hiya bbill!! where's the barfing bird? http://smilies.sofrayt.com/%5E/n/kotzen.gif good to see you stranger.

hey, will you paste that article here. or anyone?

ty ty

Jurollo 03-21-2005 11:51 PM

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Senate defeats Internet poker measure

DALE WETZEL

Associated Press

BISMARCK, N.D. - The Legislature's dalliance with Internet poker regulation ended abruptly, when a bill to make North Dakota the first state to license cyberspace poker tables got only three Senate votes to support it.

"This is just another vehicle for more gambling in North Dakota, and I'm not so sure we want it," Sen. David Nething, R-Jamestown, said Monday.

The measure lost in the Senate, 44-3, after a brief debate. It squeaked through the House last month, 49-43, and its sponsor, Rep. Jim Kasper, R-Fargo, has been lobbying senators on the measure's behalf.

Sens. Connie Triplett, D-Grand Forks, John Syverson, R-Fargo, and Jack Traynor, R-Devils Lake, voted for the proposal Monday. They also supported it in the Senate Judiciary Committee, which reviewed the legislation.

North Dakota voters would have to approve a state constitutional amendment for the regulatory bill to take effect. Traynor said a Senate vote supporting the legislation would still leave the question in voters' hands.

A Senate vote to put the constitutional amendment on the ballot is still pending. The Judiciary Committee is holding a hearing on the amendment Wednesday.

"It strikes me that we should let the people of the state decide if they want this," Traynor said. "The promoters have told us it could amount ... to some significant economic activity in our communities."

Kasper said the legislation did not represent an expansion of North Dakota's existing gambling industry. The state allows charities to run gambling operations, and North Dakota's five American Indian reservations each has a casino.

"This isn't about gambling," Kasper said. "This is about regulation of an industry that's already there ... This is an industry that's crying for regulation, that wants to come to North Dakota, that wants to relocate their businesses here."

Senators voted to approve changes to the legislation Monday, before deciding to kill the bill. It was not sent to the Senate Appropriations Committee for further work, as is customary for a bill with a large price tag.

Attorney General Wayne Stenehjem estimated it would cost at least $1 million over two years to regulate the industry, an expense industry officials have said they would be willing to pay.

Critics of the measure said they were wary of the U.S. Justice Department's stand that Internet gambling in general is illegal. Stenehjem and Gov. John Hoeven declined to endorse the legislation.

"There are at least three federal laws out there that make this legislation suspect," said Sen. Carolyn Nelson, D-Fargo.

North Dakota's Internet poker bill has been a frequently cited example of recent state attempts to broaden cyberspace gambling.

South Dakota's Legislature has approved allowing telephone and electronic mail wagering on horse or dog races, as long as interstate betting is done using South Dakota bank accounts.

Lawmakers in Illinois and Georgia are considering bills to allow Internet lottery ticket sales. In Georgia, the measure is awaiting a Senate vote after winning easy House approval. The Illinois bill is still awaiting its first vote, in the Senate.

Nevada and the U.S. Virgin Islands have previously approved measures that would authorize licensing of Internet casinos, but the Justice Department's stance has stalled potential regulation in those jurisdictions.

North Dakota state Sen. Bill Bowman, R-Bowman, referred to recent federal felony convictions for Susan Bala, owner of Racing Services Inc., and the company itself for running an illegal Fargo gambling site to take off-track bets on horse races.

The company has been ordered to pay $99 million in restitution, with Bala responsible for $19.7 million of that sum.

"Gambling seems to lead to corruption. Once you've lost the money that you wagered, if you don't have it to lose, what's the next thing you do? You have to try to get it back some way," Bowman said. "A lot of times, it leads to very bad decisions."

Sen. Larry Robinson, D-Valley City, said the Legislature should not spend any more time debating Internet poker.

"We have far more pressing priorities that we should be addressing ... whether they be K-12 education, or human services, or corrections, state employee salaries, renewable energy," Robinson said. "Gambling is not one of those issues that's a high priority."

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The bill is HB1509.

LINK DIRECTLY TO ARTICLE

~Justin

Uglyowl 03-22-2005 12:02 AM

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[ QUOTE ]
Senate defeats Internet poker measure

"We have far more pressing priorities that we should be addressing ... whether they be K-12 education, or human services, or corrections, state employee salaries, renewable energy," Robinson said. "Gambling is not one of those issues that's a high priority."

~Justin

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Maybe these go hand in hand? No surprise though to me. Need to come up with more ways to spend the taxpayers money.

GrannyMae 03-22-2005 12:06 AM

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ty justin

i thought there were 4 total states trying this. did i dream that? cubswin, you out there?

Jurollo 03-22-2005 12:13 AM

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Cubs is definately the man to ask this. CUBS, CUBS, CUBS WE NEED YOU!!! We need some sort of giant light with to flash Q5 in the sky to summon the super poker pros.
~Justin

Reef 03-22-2005 12:31 AM

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it would've been nice to have support that fully understands English

BBill 03-22-2005 02:18 AM

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hiya bbill!! where's the barfing bird? http://smilies.sofrayt.com/%5E/n/kotzen.gif good to see you stranger.


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what-up Granny!
That "heaving aviator" avatar is still around in cyberspace somewhere, I was feeling adventurous one day and looking for a replacement but none seemed right and just haven't put the ole bird back.
Maybe I'll look through the av collection and see what I can find!


bbill

AsiaKurosawa 03-22-2005 08:52 AM

Re: not good news for the N.Dakota Poker bill
 
You may have been thinking of the USA Today article-- IL & GA planning to sell lotto tix online, and ND with the online poker bill.

http://www.usatoday.com/money/indust...ing-usat_x.htm

Also SoDak amended its ban on internet gambling to specifically exclude horse and dog racing bets taken by phone or email...

http://www.aberdeennews.com/mld/aber...s/11132988.htm

GrannyMae 03-22-2005 04:59 PM

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IL & GA

yep. that was them.

ty


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