($55) Awkward spot with JJ preflop
 

Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: AJGluteia ( $885 )
Seat 4: PlynWitMyPP ( $380 )
Seat 5: Gurdy ( $2145 )
Seat 9: Fat_Loser8 ( $1115 )
Seat 7: EZ_OUT ( $1000 )
Seat 8: nineballer9 ( $1265 )
Seat 2: runningitout ( $1110 )
Seat 6: seansafehand ( $1130 )
Seat 3: coripro2003 ( $970 )

Level:3
Blinds(25/50)

** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to AJGluteia [ Jc Js ]

nineballer9 raises [100].
Fat_Loser8 folds.

AJGluteia ...?

Re: ($55) Awkward spot with JJ preflop
 

Oh, that's you. I was wondering.

Re: ($55) Awkward spot with JJ preflop
 

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Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: AJGluteia ( $885 )
Seat 4: PlynWitMyPP ( $380 )
Seat 5: Gurdy ( $2145 )
Seat 9: Fat_Loser8 ( $1115 )
Seat 7: EZ_OUT ( $1000 )
Seat 8: nineballer9 ( $1265 )
Seat 2: runningitout ( $1110 )
Seat 6: seansafehand ( $1130 )
Seat 3: coripro2003 ( $970 )

Level:3
Blinds(25/50)

** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to AJGluteia [ Jc Js ]

nineballer9 raises [100].
Fat_Loser8 folds.

AJGluteia ...?

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Shove.

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Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: AJGluteia ( $885 )
Seat 4: PlynWitMyPP ( $380 )
Seat 5: Gurdy ( $2145 )
Seat 9: Fat_Loser8 ( $1115 )
Seat 7: EZ_OUT ( $1000 )
Seat 8: nineballer9 ( $1265 )
Seat 2: runningitout ( $1110 )
Seat 6: seansafehand ( $1130 )
Seat 3: coripro2003 ( $970 )

Level:3
Blinds(25/50)

** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to AJGluteia [ Jc Js ]

nineballer9 raises [100].
Fat_Loser8 folds.

AJGluteia ...?

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Shove.

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You don't think that's too LAG? I mean...6 people behind me, I have 19xbb, the raiser is UTG...I dunno.

Re: ($55) Awkward spot with JJ preflop
 

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Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: AJGluteia ( $885 )
Seat 4: PlynWitMyPP ( $380 )
Seat 5: Gurdy ( $2145 )
Seat 9: Fat_Loser8 ( $1115 )
Seat 7: EZ_OUT ( $1000 )
Seat 8: nineballer9 ( $1265 )
Seat 2: runningitout ( $1110 )
Seat 6: seansafehand ( $1130 )
Seat 3: coripro2003 ( $970 )

Level:3
Blinds(25/50)

** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to AJGluteia [ Jc Js ]

nineballer9 raises [100].
Fat_Loser8 folds.

AJGluteia ...?

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Shove.

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You don't think that's too LAG? I mean...6 people behind me, I have 19xbb, the raiser is UTG...I dunno.

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Okay, well the alternatives are-

Flat call and invite more people behind you to call

Raise a smaller amount, putting about 1/3rd of your stack in the middle and hope to not get pushed off the best hand.

Fold JJ to a single minraise.

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You don't think that's too LAG? I mean...6 people behind me, I have 19xbb, the raiser is UTG...I dunno.

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Well, you're getting a little short early on and I think that even against an UTG min-raise, you're ahead of his hand range. Also, I don't think that this is a spot you wanna fold, and it's not a spot you want to play OOP against 6 opponents, so I think that a push to isolate UTG is the best bet.

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You don't think that's too LAG? I mean...6 people behind me, I have 19xbb, the raiser is UTG...I dunno.

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Well, you're getting a little short early on and I think that even against an UTG min-raise, you're ahead of his hand range. Also, I don't think that this is a spot you wanna fold, and it's not a spot you want to play OOP against 6 opponents, so I think that a push to isolate UTG is the best bet.

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I agree that I'm likely ahead of his range, but a push is a big overbet, so I am worried he will fold most of the hands I beat, except AK and perhaps TT. If he's raising with 88+, AQ+, and calls with TT+, AK...even assuming no one behind me picks up QQ+....

12 times i pick up 175
17.63 times i win 960
23.37 times i lose 885 and bust...

for a net loss of about 30 chips.

and there's an 8% or so chance that someone behind me has picked up QQ+.

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Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: AJGluteia ( $885 )
Seat 4: PlynWitMyPP ( $380 )
Seat 5: Gurdy ( $2145 )
Seat 9: Fat_Loser8 ( $1115 )
Seat 7: EZ_OUT ( $1000 )
Seat 8: nineballer9 ( $1265 )
Seat 2: runningitout ( $1110 )
Seat 6: seansafehand ( $1130 )
Seat 3: coripro2003 ( $970 )

Level:3
Blinds(25/50)

** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to AJGluteia [ Jc Js ]

nineballer9 raises [100].
Fat_Loser8 folds.

AJGluteia ...?

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Shove.

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You don't think that's too LAG? I mean...6 people behind me, I have 19xbb, the raiser is UTG...I dunno.

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Okay, well the alternatives are-

Flat call and invite more people behind you to call

Raise a smaller amount, putting about 1/3rd of your stack in the middle and hope to not get pushed off the best hand.

Fold JJ to a single minraise.

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I don't like any of these to be sure but I am feeling like folding might be the lesser of all evils.

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Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: AJGluteia ( $885 )
Seat 4: PlynWitMyPP ( $380 )
Seat 5: Gurdy ( $2145 )
Seat 9: Fat_Loser8 ( $1115 )
Seat 7: EZ_OUT ( $1000 )
Seat 8: nineballer9 ( $1265 )
Seat 2: runningitout ( $1110 )
Seat 6: seansafehand ( $1130 )
Seat 3: coripro2003 ( $970 )

Level:3
Blinds(25/50)

** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to AJGluteia [ Jc Js ]

nineballer9 raises [100].
Fat_Loser8 folds.

AJGluteia ...?

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Shove.

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You don't think that's too LAG? I mean...6 people behind me, I have 19xbb, the raiser is UTG...I dunno.

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Okay, well the alternatives are-

Flat call and invite more people behind you to call

Raise a smaller amount, putting about 1/3rd of your stack in the middle and hope to not get pushed off the best hand.

Fold JJ to a single minraise.

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I don't like any of these to be sure but I am feeling like folding might be the lesser of all evils.

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WOW...

Re: ($55) Awkward spot with JJ preflop
 

I almost never flat call in spots like this, but this might be an exception. Wuoldnt yell at you for folding or moving allin. Hey why dont you just do the math for allin, it cant be that complicated. Put him on a range (calculate chances of people behind you having AA-QQ also), and figure it out [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Meanwhile Ill sit here and learn from your results.