BEHOLD! The obligatory ROUNDERS question
 

Now, I realize that talking about Rounders is the ultimate newbie cliche, but I can't help but be bugged by one of the high-limit sequences in the movie.

Hand in question is Damon's confrontation with Johnny Chan. Its a 300-600 table at the Taj, and Damon raises Chan PF with rags. Chan makes it three bets and Damon caps. Chan, of course, after double-checking his hand, folds to the hero. Clearly a work of fiction--which brings me to my question:

In HLHE, is there ANY hand that it is correct for Chan to three-bet and then fold to a cap bet from an unkown player on a short stack? JJ? AKs? The question is less about the movie than it is about high-limit games (of which I know little). Shouldn't Chan, being an expert, call the cap once he's committed (unless of course he's on a stone bluff). Can't he can afford to give up a little before PF because he can count on outplaying virtually any tourist (or rounder) from the flop on? Is there really any value in folding a group 1 or 2 hand for one more bet when you're heads up against a lesser player (in this case, a player who has won precisely two fewer WSOP championships)?

Just curious, would appreciate comments on calling a four-bet before the flop.

Re: BEHOLD! The obligatory ROUNDERS question
 

?????
You forgot when CHAN asks "Did you have it" which would mean that the board was already laid out.

Re: BEHOLD! The obligatory ROUNDERS question
 

i thought they were playing stud and this is the wrong forum for this. also i thought there were more raises.

Re: BEHOLD! The obligatory ROUNDERS question
 

oh come on, at least freaking rewind the movie and watch the scene again before you post this

Re: BEHOLD! The obligatory ROUNDERS question
 

The real rounders question was what was Teddy holding on that last hand when he "bet it all". Most think it was a set of A's.

As for the Chan sequence not to odd in a high stakes game to see that sort of hand. Specially with big name CHAN trying to bully to little Mike McDee. BTY it was hold'em and I am sure it was pre flop. Of course no cap would apply heads up.

Re: BEHOLD! The obligatory ROUNDERS question
 

The flop was already out.

Chan see this guy play like 2 hands in an hour and only playing Aces and Kings. What's Chan supposed to do? (other than fold)

Re: BEHOLD! The obligatory ROUNDERS question
 

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You forgot when CHAN asks "Did you have it" which would mean that the board was already laid out.

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I thought this sequence supposedly all went down pre flop as well. Making it an utterly ridiculous fold.

I also seem to remember it being more than 4 bets from Damon.

I put Teddy on pocket 5s.
 

either that, or pocket AAs.

LOL,

TSP

The real question
 

What did Teddy have when he called his last $2500 all-in, in the $10,000 mach and could not beat top pair T kicker

Re: BEHOLD! The obligatory ROUNDERS question
 

Take a look at the scene again. While they are betting and
raising, you can see the flop on the table. Each individual
card is not distinguishable, but it looks like two face
cards and a medium sized card. So this took place on the
flop. The situation is supposed to resemble something along
the lines of Chan flopping a set, and folding to McDermott's
final bet, figuring he must have flopped a larger one. The
answer to your question is yes and no. Yes, in high limit
games you need to be able to read hands well enough to make
tough lay downs, but no in that if you are routinely folding
sets on the flop, well, yeah, I'll just stop there. Also,
the action went like this: MM bet, JC raise, MM reraise, JC
reraise, MM reraise, JC muck.